Comment on I tried to selfhost Nextcloud at work

• non_burglar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Whoah, dude.

  Not only are you being told what could have and will ward off unplanned breakage, but you have somehow characterised yourself as an unsuspecting victim here? Inaccurate and really inappropriate comparison.

  You knew enough to take on deploying a service, now comes the grown-up part where you hedge against broken updates.

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  • Moonrise2473@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I don’t know if maybe it’s my bad english in explaining it or it’s your comprehension skills that lack something.

    I write it again for the 10th time: I’m 100% ok having 1-2 weeks of downtime, and this is why i do it live. It simply doesn’t make sense to dedicate several hours every month on testing if all i need is getting 3 useless surveys filled per year. If it was essential for work and i needed 99.99999% uptime i would directly subscribe typeform or surveymonkey. If tomorrow my install completely bricks and disappears in thin air, i would have lost 30 minutes of time and no valuable data. I literally spent more time designing the logo for the instance than managing it. This is just to state how unimportant the data stored on it.

    This post wasn’t made about “oh no i lost millions and all my irreplaceable data thanks to nextcloud stupid updates” but how stupid is to release something that breaks features that they’re using as selling point.

    ok, now that we established that my IT skills are lacking and i should be fired because one single survey couldn’t be filled, this is the release notes: docs.nextcloud.com/server/…/upgrade_to_30.html

    Please tell me where they say that this feature is automatically disabled and also tell me why you think that this is acceptable.

    I don’t understand why you think that is acceptable.

    I even can’t find other examples where a release is so rushed, that selling points are disabled without ETA. I never saw for Libreoffice 24 dropping support for opendocument files for a couple months just because they had to meet a self imposed deadline

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• gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’m starting to see a pattern in those comments like “why did you wear a skirt that night? It looks like you asked for it…”

  Cute victim mentality, but gross and insanely wrong comparison

  Learn from your mistake and don’t update without testing next time, it’s 100% on whoever updates the production environment to make sure that shit isn’t broken for whatever reason before pushing it customer-side

  It’s more like you bought a random white powder from your dealer without asking what it was and are now upset you almost died

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  • Moonrise2473@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    ok, please tell me where in the release notes they say that the forms app will be automatically disabled without warning after update, thanks docs.nextcloud.com/server/…/upgrade_to_30.html

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    • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Literally just googled “nextcloud forms” and looked at their supported versions and whaddya know, it says right on that webpage that there’s no stable version for 30 yet, so safe bet would be that it wouldn’t properly work when upgrading:

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      There is a supported nightly build, though, so you could probably have tried that

      It’s on you to look up what will break when you update, or to test and see what happens when you do. A major update page isn’t going to list all of the things that rely on it that break because that’s fucking unreasonable

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      • Moonrise2473@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        go to watch who is the maintainer of nextcloud forms, then see if they could have known that NC 30 was about to go out or not

        It’s definitely not unreasonable that if I make product X and I make product Y, and they’re not compatible, then a bit of warning is suggested.

        Again, wordpress updates break plugins all the time, but automattic plugins (same people of wordpress) never break. Coincidence? They just launch a new wordpress without checking if woocommerce or jetpack don’t work?

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