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wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

They’re selected by what you called a ‘popularity contest’.

Historically they didn’t have to go off the popular vote. It is a check and balance that many states have abandoned.

Why would my vote count for more in Wyoming than Florida?

You are still missing who votes. You seem to think you vote, but it is really the state that votes. That is why your vote in Wyoming counts more.

Large states still have way more power, so I’m not sure what that’s solving.

but it is balanced by the other states. They don’t have as much clout as they could.

How could that change under the current system, though?

I don’t know that it can be changed in our current system but the swing states change over time. Florida use to be a swing state. Texas will become one in the next ten years or so. Maybe as early as after this election. THey went from a solid red to a light red.

The left complains about this system because gives conservatives power disproportionate to their actual numbers,

Not really. Since we are state based government, a popular vote would give to much power to blue states vs red states which are the majority of the country.

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Zeppo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

You are still missing who votes. You seem to think you vote, but it is really the state that votes.

Uh… no, that’s my point. If electors are selected by a popular vote, that’s the vote. Very rare for electors to switch candidates.

This states thing is a questionable proxy system. We are sort of, theoretically, a republic of states. Sure. However, it’s a flawed system that isn’t quite relevant to how the country has developed. It’s silly to act like a system invented 250 years ago will always be the best or most effective. The founders of the country didn’t expect for the systems to never change. They also didn’t expect a party duopoly and hoped to avoid the current situation.

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- wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  Uh… no, that’s my point. If electors are selected by a popular vote, that’s the vote. Very rare for electors to switch candidates
  
  Because 33 states have made laws which I think are unconditional. The electors are a check and balance of the system. The idea is to prevent the wrong type of person being elected.
  
  They also didn’t expect a party duopoly and hoped to avoid the current situation
  
  Not they did did. That’s something very uniquely American that grew and stuck. It’s a shame. More parties would be better.
  
  anti-democratic
  
  Our system was designed to be anti-democratic. We were designed to be a republic.
  
  If we were a democracy, being gay would still be a crime. We don’t want that. We have the constitution to help balance things out. People could vote for really bad ideas that destroy the country.
  
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  - Zeppo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    i would love more parties and more choices. If we could get something besides FPTP voting that would be great.
    
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    wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    I’m not a democrat. I’m not a racist weirdo. So I’d never fit in.
    
    I’m old school Republican but the party has taken a turn to just be an opposition party rather than actually having ideas.
    
    I fully support abortion publicly which makes me an outlier in the party. I don’t care if anyone is gay or trans which make me an outlier with the religious right. I’m for less spending which makes me an outlier with both parties.
    
    There really isn’t a viable party that economically conservative and socially more liberal. Some people say libertarians but most of them are just anti-tax people and I’m not opposed to taxes. There is a difference in wanting the lowest tax possible and those who oppose all taxes.
    
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