If you know what it refers to then why complain?
Did you even read the headline for this post?
Why are so many boys and men feeling alone and in the cold?
Which relevance does my understanding have to the understanding of a 12 year old boy?
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Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 year agoIf you know what it refers to then why complain? Why pretend this is some big attack on masculinity as a whole when it’s obviously not? Toxic is an adjective, it is used to separate the bad stereotypical attributes of masculinity from the good. No one is suggesting these behaviours can only exist in men and I don’t know why you’re so offended by the use of gendered words when we are specifically talking about problems associated with one gender. Enough with the manufactured outrage, engage in good faith for once.
SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Rather than make snarky, half-arsed replies why not take the time to articulate why you think “toxic masculinity” is such a problematic term? Why not engage in good faith with other people instead of instantly trying to turn this into yet another polarised yawnfest argument?
SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
why not take the time to articulate why you think “toxic masculinity” is such a problematic term?
I did in my first reply:
a gendered term to refer to behavior that’s not ok in either gender
snarky, half-arsed replies
Projecting much?
Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Opening with “ah yes” followed immediately by sarcasm is snarky. And yes, 13 words is a pretty half-arsed attempt. I think you can do better.
IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 1 year ago
I did in my first reply
Look I get the knee jerk on hearing male. "Oh we're talking about masculinity, that's an attack on me." But the topic at hand is masculinity.
Why are so many boys and men feeling alone and in the cold?
Yes, toxic behaviors exists in both mainstream genders. Shallow ass women who play on male insecurities is a thing. BUT that's not the topic here. Like, you shoving the whole "but the other side" thing really comes like someone walking into a hospital being outraged they aren't going to do a quick dental clean while you're there. You're in the wrong place. There is such a place to go to, but it ain't here.
I mean nothing but love for ya, but the knee jerk comes off a bit hard. Like we can have that discussion, but honest, I don't think this is the thread for it. It feels like it detracts from introspecting by way of blaming the other team. I'm not downvoting you, I get where you're coming from. But I just feel it's distraction.
And that is my opinion on the matter and nothing more.
Neato@kbin.social 1 year ago
I've seen this from men recently here. They are attacking words like "feminism" and "toxic masculinity" with crap like this. It's because they know they have no real arguments against them that they go for ad hominem attacks. They hate the word "feminism" because they'd rather have equality for "all" and imply feminism is equality for women only. Now this dude is attacking "toxic masculinity" because "women can be toxic, too" apparently. As if it wasn't coined because the predominance was found in men and was trying to call attention to issues men face. It's just a new tact in misogyny.
Ilandar@aussie.zone 1 year ago
You’re right, it is a common tactic from the right to just immediately present any given social issue as an “attack on X”. But I also think instantly lumping people into that group isn’t always helpful either, which is why I asked for that person to chill with the hysteria and actually elaborate on their point. Unfortunately they are clearly intent on divisiveness and meaningless point scoring, so at that point you can hardly blame us for assuming the worst of their intentions.
SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Following that logic, should we stick to gender markings in job titles when jobs are predominantly performed by one gender?