Comment on Why are so many boys and men feeling alone and in the cold?

• Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you know what it refers to then why complain? Why pretend this is some big attack on masculinity as a whole when it’s obviously not? Toxic is an adjective, it is used to separate the bad stereotypical attributes of masculinity from the good. No one is suggesting these behaviours can only exist in men and I don’t know why you’re so offended by the use of gendered words when we are specifically talking about problems associated with one gender. Enough with the manufactured outrage, engage in good faith for once.

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  • Neato@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I've seen this from men recently here. They are attacking words like "feminism" and "toxic masculinity" with crap like this. It's because they know they have no real arguments against them that they go for ad hominem attacks. They hate the word "feminism" because they'd rather have equality for "all" and imply feminism is equality for women only. Now this dude is attacking "toxic masculinity" because "women can be toxic, too" apparently. As if it wasn't coined because the predominance was found in men and was trying to call attention to issues men face. It's just a new tact in misogyny.

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    • Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You’re right, it is a common tactic from the right to just immediately present any given social issue as an “attack on X”. But I also think instantly lumping people into that group isn’t always helpful either, which is why I asked for that person to chill with the hysteria and actually elaborate on their point. Unfortunately they are clearly intent on divisiveness and meaningless point scoring, so at that point you can hardly blame us for assuming the worst of their intentions.

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    • SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As if it wasn’t coined because the predominance was found in men

      Following that logic, should we stick to gender markings in job titles when jobs are predominantly performed by one gender?

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  • SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you know what it refers to then why complain?

    Did you even read the headline for this post?

    Why are so many boys and men feeling alone and in the cold?

    Which relevance does my understanding have to the understanding of a 12 year old boy?

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    • Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Rather than make snarky, half-arsed replies why not take the time to articulate why you think “toxic masculinity” is such a problematic term? Why not engage in good faith with other people instead of instantly trying to turn this into yet another polarised yawnfest argument?

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      • SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        why not take the time to articulate why you think “toxic masculinity” is such a problematic term?

        I did in my first reply:

        a gendered term to refer to behavior that’s not ok in either gender

        snarky, half-arsed replies

        Projecting much?

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• Neato@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Men get so bent out of shape whenever they even could be considered at fault for anything.

  Meanwhile the word hysteria exists...

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  • CTdummy@artemis.camp ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, people get bent out of shape because it’s a gendered, sexist term. End of story. Just like man-splaining. You can discuss male specific toxicity and men being condescending without using terms that very clearly are divisive and prejudicial.

    If you use the terms while pretending to be progressive or for equality then you’re a liar and a hypocrite. Hope that helps.

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    • Neato@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It doesn't. Because this is a misogynist talking point. But you know that. That's your goal.

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  • SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not sure what you’re trying to say. That the word hysteria exists is bad… because it assigned a certain behavior/emotion to women? And because of that assigning a certain behavior/emotion to men is something we should welcome?

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    • Neato@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You should look up the origin then. Because your clearly concern trolling at this point.

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      • SwingingKoala@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ah yes, jump to ad hominem immediately when you have don’t have anything productive to say. Hysteria, can you do something constructing and give me a meaning that doesn’t contradict wikipedia?

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• flathead@quex.cc ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  to be fair, the article specifically references “toxic males” and is focused on the challenges for young men in particular. What seems obviously lacking in the story is any reference to the diminished economic potential that all young people face. 30 years ago education and housing were somewhat reasonably priced and and generally available to all. Economic stress is a huge factor and immediate source of stress and anxiety that is completely ignored in the article. How is one supposed to feel ‘cocky’ while struggling to keep their head above water financially?

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