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• Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Generally, it is the fact that right-wing entails focus on businesses and private property owners, and left-wing entails direct focus on the economic wellbeing of everyone and a more egalitarian society.

  In more extreme cases (which I agree for in terms of clarity and fairness, but which is not really a consensus) left-wing is seen as actual socialism (i.e. collectively/socially owned enterprises) and right-wing is capitalism (i.e. private property and its operation for profit). This makes a useful and clear distinction in relation to economic policy and is not dictated by the hegemony of one option. It also makes centrism virtually impossible, which is good, because the meaning of “center” drifts radically between cultures, and most people tend to just associate with whatever is predominant in their culture while calling themselves such.

  Here is how voters of neighboring Canada have put themselves on a political compass, on average, in relation to their party of choice. Note that liberals are very much not in the center, and more right-wing, while conservatives as well as People’s party (don’t look at the name, it’s seen as far right even by American metrics), predictably, are extremely authoritarian-right.

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  • Pandantic@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I see US liberals as defending both social and economic policies. Here are some examples I can think of:

    • Supporting unions but also not cracking down on union busting as much as they should
    • Wanting universal healthcare solutions (Obamacare) while not wanting Medicare for all or proper socialized medicine.

    I am just speaking to what I observe, but I think the trick the liberal party in my country play is a show of being “for the people” and giving concessions but, in the end, being absolutely capitalist motivated.

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes! The latter part of what you say explains exactly to me why liberals cannot be the center.

      Being “for the people” is more of a show here, while they are funded and act in the interest of businesses. When people do demand change that goes against capitalists, they will play everything to keep the spectacle while clearly not choosing people’s side. And this is actually quite consistent with the spirit of liberalism.

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      • Pandantic@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for clearing that up. Also, I find it ironic talking to another leftist on the Hexbear hate thread.

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