Comment on The Irony of 'You Wouldn't Download a Car' Making a Comeback in AI Debates

• MutilationWave@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The vast majority do not. We’re in a pretty tech savvy bubble here on Lemmy.

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  • VoterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Point is that accessing a website with an adblocker has never been considered a copyright violation.

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    • knF@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thanks to everyone that has replied, all fair points. When you use (read, view, listen to…) copyrighted material you’re subject to the licensing rules, no matter if it’s free (as in beer) or not.

      This means that quoting more than what’s considered fair use is a violation of the license, for instance. In practice a human would not be able to quote exactly a 1000 words document just on the first read but “AI” can, thus infringing one of the licensing clauses.

      Some licensing on copyrighted material is also explicitly forbidding to use the full content by automated systems (once they were web crawlers for search engines)

      Basically all these possibilities or actual licensing infringements would require a negotiation between the involved parties.

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      • VoterFrog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        When you use (read, view, listen to…) copyrighted material you’re subject to the licensing rules, no matter if it’s free (as in beer) or not.

        You’ve got that backwards. Copyright protects the owner’s right to distribution. Reading, viewing, listening to a work is never copyright infringement.

        This means that quoting more than what’s considered fair use is a violation of the license, for instance. In practice a human would not be able to quote exactly a 1000 words document just on the first read but “AI” can, thus infringing one of the licensing clauses.

        Only on very specific circumstances, with some particular coaxing, can you get an AI to do this with certain works that are widely quoted throughout its training data. There may be some very small scale copyright violations that occur here but it’s largely a technical hurdle that will be overcome before long (i.e. wholesale regurgitation isn’t an actual goal of AI technology).

        Some licensing on copyrighted material is also explicitly forbidding to use the full content by automated systems (once they were web crawlers for search engines)

        Again, copyright doesn’t govern how you’re allowed to view a work. robots.txt is not a legally enforceable license. At best, the website owner may be able to restrict access via computer access abuse laws, but not copyright. And it would be completely irrelevant to the question of whether or not AI can train on non-internet data sets like books, movies, etc.

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• Saleh@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The library is legally allowed to hand out the books. However they are not allowed to replicate them and you are not allowed to borrow them with the goal to scan and copy it.

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• Marcbmann@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  While I am generally in the “copyright doesn’t matter when it comes to AI” camp, I also work in advertising. Most people do not use ad blockers.

  This is an interesting point that I haven’t previously considered.

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