They seem more like edgy teenagers cosplaying more than being anything like ‘actual leftists’.
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TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 week ago
They’re leftists. Like actual leftists, some of whom subscribe to the idea that capitalism can only be overcome through violence.
There’s a lot of “well if it’s our authoritarian it’s ok”
My real beef with them is the same as my beef with .Ml and Lemmygrad, little baby mods and admins that hit you with the instance wide ban for disagreeing with their opinions
More egregious is getting banned for pointing out the admins suck
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 week ago
SSJMarx@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I’m pretty sure the average age on HB is mid-late twenties.
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 week ago
It can take some people a longer time to mature than others.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 week ago
…yeeeaahhh….
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Tankies aren’t leftists.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Strictly speaking they are leftist, just extreme in a lot of ways. it’s the authoritarian aspect of it that I dislike.
meowgenau@programming.dev 1 week ago
In my mind, the idea of left politics is to democratize society as much as possible. Any type of Authoritarianism goes against that, including the idea of a single party with a single leader. It’s anti-democratic, and therefore does not fit into the category of leftist politics, even if they call themselves left. No racist is gonna call himself racists. And fashists neither.
zinguszna@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Then you agree with many hexbears. As well as there being plenty of anarchists, most people there believe in some kind of fundamental democratisation at multiple levels, rather than a single election with two parties and very manufactured dynamics every 2-4 years.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Not defending ml but I can see how if you were born and raised in say Vietnam or China or had family members killed by NATO how you could see the USA as an imperialist hypocrite of a country.
What I don’t get at all is how those people hold up fucking China as a bastion of human rights and ignore uighur (sp) genocide etc. But I guess it’s the same as ppl in the US excusing Israel’s genocide of Palestine.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The US is an imperialist hypocrite of a country. Like that is just a damn fact. As you point out though, the issues leftists, not in these spaces, have with places like hexbear, and ml, is the fact that they back authoritarian regimes like China. China who is in the process of the US playbook of economic imperialism with their BRI. They are committing a genocide, they are exploiting much poorer countries, to hold them in economic dependency, and they are discussing annexing land they do not own any longer, and haven’t for a long time now. No I am not talking about Taiwan.
They are making so many similar moves to the US post WWII, and have an economy that is dependent on allowing capitalism, to the point that they have a billionaire class second only to the US. While the US is growing its police/surveillance state, China is leagues ahead on that one. The big thing China doesn’t have, is something similar to the massive global infrastructure the US developed to be able to deploy, and supply, its military in a time frame measured in hours. China is trying to develop something along these lines, but it has the US/NATO super structure all ready in place, it will have to, at least partially, displace. This will not be easy.
Robaque@feddit.it 1 week ago
Are there no anarchists on hexbear?
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Anarchists only exist to the degree their privilege allows them to feel like they have no need for any sort of authority.
I’m sure there are some there though, as long and they bring the right flavor of kool aid
Robaque@feddit.it 1 week ago
How are you defining authority? My understanding is it’s specifically referring to “power over”; via implicit/explicit coercion, threat, manipulation, and so on. I don’t see why opposition to such uses of power, and the desire to build alternative systems which don’t rely on power enacted through such means, has to be a negative or “unrealistic” thing.
zinguszna@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Contrary to the other guy’s made up assertions - yes, Hexbear has many anarchists, and they are explicitly welcomed as there’s a heavy focus on left unity.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 week ago
That’s not abnormal. Supporting authoritarian and totalitarian regimes means they themselves are authoritarian or totalitarian and just haven’t been able properly exemplify the authority they feel they deserve
SSJMarx@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Facists argue that a certain group deserves authority, communists argue precisely the opposite, that the current regime with authority doesn’t deserve it and it should be apportioned equally and democratically instead. Because you live in a world where 99% of the media is controlled by the capitalists, you have been conditioned since birth to believe that every single movement of the people was actually a movement of a small group of elites, and that the countries that are currently exclusively controlled by their elites are in some way democratic.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 week ago
First, I see you disagree, and thank you for expressing your disagreement in a respectful way.
Now, with that being said, what evidence do you have that your media is no different?
And please understand I’m not being sarcastic or playing a game. I am legitimately curious of your perspective. I really wish to understand your perspective. If any other person tries to treat you like crap, I’ll do my best to keep them from being shitty to you. Please feel free to explain your ideology in a respectful way and I will do my best to protect you from ridicule as well
el_bhm@lemm.ee 1 week ago
There is also a bunch of books and historical records that point to the same conclusions.
But, sure, backhanded invectives that someone is brainwashed and stupid will sure convince people.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Who said stupid? That’s you assuming
Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
Considering how the US’s CIA will infiltrate leftist groups to undermine and break those groups up, would that make the US an authoritarian state? And if someone passively enables authoritarianism through complacency then does that not make them authoritarians by default?
Read up on Operation Gladio if you want a peak at how deeply fascist / authoritarian the US truly is: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
EABOD25@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I am already aware of the CIA’s fuckery. It’s no different than what the KGB was. They claim(ed) counter intelligence, but ultimately, their job is/was to destabilize to create political advantage. Career liars every last one of them