Comment on The Irony of 'You Wouldn't Download a Car' Making a Comeback in AI Debates

• lettruthout@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well how long to you think that’s going to last? They are for-profit companies after all.

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  • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean we’re having a discussion about what’s fair, my inherent implication is whether or not that would be a fair regulation to impose.

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• WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Those aren’t open source, neither by the OSI’s Open Source Definition nor by the OSI’s Open Source AI Definition.

  The important part for the latter being a published listing of all the training data. (Trainers don’t have to provide the data, but they must provide at least a way to recreate the model given the same inputs).

  Data information: Sufficiently detailed information about the data used to train the system, so that a skilled person can recreate a substantially equivalent system using the same or similar data. Data information shall be made available with licenses that comply with the Open Source Definition.

  They are model-available if anything.

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  • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    For the purposes of this conversation. That’s pretty much just a pedantic difference. They are paying to train those models and then providing them to the public to use completely freely in any way they want.

    It would be like developing open source software and then not calling it open source because you didn’t publish the market research that guided your UX decisions.

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    • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You said open source. Open source is a type of licensure.

      The entire point of licensure is legal pedantry.

      And as far as your metaphor is concerned, pre-trained models are closer to pre-compiled binaries, which are expressly not considered Open Source according to the OSD.

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    • Arcka@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tell me you’ve never compiled software from open source without saying you’ve never compiled software from open source.

      The only differences between open source and freeware are pedantic, right guys?

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• umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  i feel like its less meaningful because we dont have access to the datasets.

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