Theyâre made up constructs that reflect the absolute truth when applied correctly (from his perspective).
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Zwiebel@feddit.org âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Calling a made up construct âthe absolute truthâ is hilarious
samus12345@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Phoenix3875@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Well, it depends on your definition of truth and it could be the absolute truth by definition. A theorem is absolutely true in the same way that âa bachelor is an unmarried manâ is categorically true.
barsoap@lemm.ee âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
âThis line on the map is perpendicular to this other line on the mapâ is not a statement about the territory.
i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml [bot] âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I was about to say âincompleteness theoremâ!
Srh@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
That just means we canât know everything about the system. Not that it is not true.
barsoap@lemm.ee âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Thatâs computer science alongside with Church/Turing. Maths could have tried to claim it but they doubled down on formalism so they donât deserve it.
That said though incompleteness follows from nothing but logical implication itself so itâs more fundamental than physics (try to imagine a physics without cause and effect) and philosophy (find me a philosopher who wasnât asleep during their logic lectures).
i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml [bot] âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Yeah, I meant to say that the incompleteness theorem proves that math cannot be perfectly pure and fundamental. I donât exactly care which field claims it, because I donât like to encourage artificial boundaries between disciplines. Itâs nice to use information theory results in physics :)
barsoap@lemm.ee âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
The other way around: As long as you accept that cause and effect are a thing, you must accept that there are things that are, fundamentally, uncomputable. And as our universe very much does seem to have cause and effect thatâs a physical law, likewise is complexity theory. Differently put: God canât sort a list with fewer than O(n log n) comparisons.
Srh@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Math ainât made up. Math is discovered.
WldFyre@lemm.ee âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
I donât think thatâs a settled debate IIRC
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
The test to know if anything is an absolute truth is if it is called an absolute truth. If it is called an absolute truth, then it isnât an absolute truth. If it isnât called an absolute truth, then it isnât an absolute truth. Absolute truths donât exist. If someone tells you something is an absolute truth, stop listening to them.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
What about my Sith friend?