Comment on Israel Withdrew Gaza Evacuation Order After Leaked Memo Shows US Urged Restraint
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 months agoFirst, you ignore the basic fact that we know US can do that, because US did that before. Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush put pressure on Israel when they went too far for US to tolerate before, and Israel backed off.
Second, Israel humiliated US multiple times by now, by crossing every single “red-line” US expressed.
Third, the US is going around their own laws and procedures by excluding Israel from their humanitarian conditions attached to weapon sales to every other country.
Fourth, the linked article from Foreign Policy directly says that threats are useless.
But because Israel’s current leaders remain highly resolved on this issue, even credible threats to reduce U.S. support might not lead them to alter course significantly.
Fifth, your analogy makes no sense. US is the primary benefactor of Israel. Based on 2019-2023 data, over 69% of total sales is from US. Second is Germany with 30%, third is Italy with 0.9%. They have no alternative. This doesn’t even include the support from 2024, the latest 22 billion package pending right now and the rockers for iron dome system that costs US taxpayers 33 billions per 10 years, the latest contract lasts until 2028.
All of the above also ignores historical support.
Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think you misunderstand. I am not saying the US has no influence. No one is saying the US has no influence, only the article you posted says that.
The US has some influence, no question. It’s just about how much? Some influence is between total control and no control.
Regarding threats, well, they have so far demonstrated to be fairly week. It was our actions to withhold bombs over the Rafah invasion that produced the most results.
Lastly, they certainly have alternatives. The current status quo is not the only status quo possible, there are other powers they could align with if they so chose. Additionally, money can be borrowed, as the US is quite well-known for doing these days.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
So is it nobody or is it somebody? You can’t have it both ways…
And past precedents showed that it has total control. You don’t seem to dispute that.
What results? Those bombs are already released and ready to be used to kill children.
Can you provide any examples of who would those powers be? From a geopolitical perspective, the US only cares about Israel because of the ability to use them as a launching point for their wars in the Middle East. Russia’s or China’s have opposite interest of Israel as they support Arabs for different reasons, EU doesn’t give a shit and the rest of NATO countries will follow US lead.
Good luck with borrowing as even with US support, their credit rating is being lowered. They have no economic power, only geopolitical one and only with US. Why the hell do you think they spend billions of dollars in US elections?
Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Okay, the article you posted claims someone said that the US has no control. That was a lie, when the article they linked to made no such claim.
I absolutely dispute this. Did we make them attack one of our navy ships decades ago? Did we make Netanyahu fund hamas?
Regarding a launching point for wars in the Middle East, this is extremely outdated in the modern day, when we have military bases all through Iraq and numerous other allies in the region. We launched Desert Storm from Saudi Arabia for instance.
What do you think those reasons are?
Lowering your credit rating does not make borrowing impossible, just more expensive due to higher interest rates.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Neither article made such a claim. It’s purely your creation. What it said and supported article collaborates is that there are commentators that claim “U.S. can’t affect Israel’s actions”. And that’s a common line between pro-war hawks, since they make money from this war…
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By all publically available information and statements from both parties that was concluded to be a human error. Not sure how that has to do anything with US having Israel by the balls when it comes to the funding they provide.
Can’t really dispute that possibility. There is lack of clear information about that at the moment. Some people even dispute the fact that war criminal Netanyahu funded them, even though he admitted it in a recorded conversation. Though again, how does that have anything to do with the funding and US control over Israel’s actions?
Russia support Iran and vice versa, which is an arch enemy of Israel. China used to support Israel, but after they started the genocide against Palestinians, they moved away from them and is refocusing on Arab states. Having good relations with them is more valuable for China due to natural resources. And it’s a huge blow to Israel’s economy, as China used to be #1 trading partner.
Sure, but it’s a doom spiral and weakens your economy with each passing day until there is nothing left. With the isolation they placed themselves with the genocide, they are depended on a strong nation to defend them globally to even have access to most of the world. Without it, they are the next North Korea.