They could literally just not give them bombs
Comment on Israel Withdrew Gaza Evacuation Order After Leaked Memo Shows US Urged Restraint
Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you click through the link they have for commentators that say the US can’t control Israeli actions, you get to an article that does not say that. It just argues we do not have absolute control, which is a much more modest claim.
There’s degrees to these things. It isn’t a video game where the nation either does everything you say or nothing you say. Instead its more like a work relationship, where say, someone you pay a paycheck to can either do what you ask, not do what you ask and risk the consequences, or not do what you ask and hope you don’t find out. It ultimately depends on a whole lot of different, individual calculations. How much are you paying? What are you requesting? How badly do they want to disobey? How hard is it to find another job? How long can they go just living on their savings? Etc.
In the workforce we see all three results fairly often, and this is really no different.
Anyways, a bit dishonest for misrepresenting the argument it tries to criticize, this article is essentially concocted around a strawman.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That would not actually save Palestinians from starvation. You don’t need 1000lb bombs to commit a genocide.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Sure but it’d be a lot easier if they had any infrastucture. Like hospitals and farms and water storage of any kind
Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 months ago
True. The military blockade allowing only a modest amount of aid in with no real assistance in distribution is also a major problem.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It would. Israel is done within a few months without American support. They have adversaries all around them.
There’s a reason Genocide Joe sent the fleet to protect israel against Lebanon.
Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Egypt? Not an adversary. Jordan? Not an adversary. Syria? Not an adversary. On top of that, the last 3 times Israel fought them all, sometimes even simultaneously, they crushed them. All there is left is Hezbollah, with around 20% the total size of the IDF.
Oh, and now they have nukes.
And none of this is necessary to starve a captive population to death anyway.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
First, you ignore the basic fact that we know US can do that, because US did that before. Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush put pressure on Israel when they went too far for US to tolerate before, and Israel backed off.
Second, Israel humiliated US multiple times by now, by crossing every single “red-line” US expressed.
Third, the US is going around their own laws and procedures by excluding Israel from their humanitarian conditions attached to weapon sales to every other country.
Fourth, the linked article from Foreign Policy directly says that threats are useless.
Fifth, your analogy makes no sense. US is the primary benefactor of Israel. Based on 2019-2023 data, over 69% of total sales is from US. Second is Germany with 30%, third is Italy with 0.9%. They have no alternative. This doesn’t even include the support from 2024, the latest 22 billion package pending right now and the rockers for iron dome system that costs US taxpayers 33 billions per 10 years, the latest contract lasts until 2028.
All of the above also ignores historical support.
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Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think you misunderstand. I am not saying the US has no influence. No one is saying the US has no influence, only the article you posted says that.
The US has some influence, no question. It’s just about how much? Some influence is between total control and no control.
Regarding threats, well, they have so far demonstrated to be fairly week. It was our actions to withhold bombs over the Rafah invasion that produced the most results.
Lastly, they certainly have alternatives. The current status quo is not the only status quo possible, there are other powers they could align with if they so chose. Additionally, money can be borrowed, as the US is quite well-known for doing these days.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
So is it nobody or is it somebody? You can’t have it both ways…
And past precedents showed that it has total control. You don’t seem to dispute that.
What results? Those bombs are already released and ready to be used to kill children.
Can you provide any examples of who would those powers be? From a geopolitical perspective, the US only cares about Israel because of the ability to use them as a launching point for their wars in the Middle East. Russia’s or China’s have opposite interest of Israel as they support Arabs for different reasons, EU doesn’t give a shit and the rest of NATO countries will follow US lead.
Good luck with borrowing as even with US support, their credit rating is being lowered. They have no economic power, only geopolitical one and only with US. Why the hell do you think they spend billions of dollars in US elections?
Carrolade@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Okay, the article you posted claims someone said that the US has no control. That was a lie, when the article they linked to made no such claim.
I absolutely dispute this. Did we make them attack one of our navy ships decades ago? Did we make Netanyahu fund hamas?
Regarding a launching point for wars in the Middle East, this is extremely outdated in the modern day, when we have military bases all through Iraq and numerous other allies in the region. We launched Desert Storm from Saudi Arabia for instance.
What do you think those reasons are?
Lowering your credit rating does not make borrowing impossible, just more expensive due to higher interest rates.