Comment on USA | “Genocide Will Continue”: Fury Grows as Harris Vows to Keep Biden’s Gaza Policy

• MagicShel@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I haven’t downvoted you myself. My habit is if I’m responding to someone I don’t downvote because that must mean I think it’s a worthwhile conversation. I know not everyone does that. I didn’t reply right away because I have a family and shit to do in the morning.

  That said, this is a bit of moving the goalposts, right? You said nothing that would benefit lower and middle class. I can’t say what you would easily support. I don’t really have a response to this for that reason.

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  • demesisx@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No problem. Thanks for not being one of those downvotes then.

    I’m happy to lay out what a non-corrupt politician could offer that would excite me and get me to vote for them:

    • election reform
    • single payer
    • anti-genocide/ cutting off the infinite money tap that the AIPAC/IDF command
    • prosecute Israel (and the politicians that allowed them in the US should also be tried in front of The Hague) for crimes against humanity
    • prosecute George W. Bush and company for the Iraq war. Imprison them for the rest of their lives.
    • publicly execute Jon Bolton
    • student loan reform (without bullshit means testing)
    • reparations
    • police DEmilitarization
    • reforming the Supreme Court
    • immigrants no longer in cages (rather than ramping up putting immigrants in cages and just marketing it differently)
    • end the embargo on Cuba
    • penalize countries and corporations financially for pollution
    • reward other countries and corporations financially for green policies
    • dissolve the two party system and bring the DNC and GOP up on treason charges
    • give Edward Snowden immunity for his “crimes” and protect him as a whistle blower
    • fund the fediverse and other decentralized technologies that have a direct positive effect on democracy
    • socialize and break up Amazon into twenty companies
    • socialize Google
    • fund RISC-V chip technologies instead of closed source technologies to bring chip manufacturing back to the US
    • socialize Meta

    I could go on all day. Basically, you could easily offer what Bernie had on his platform in 2016 and get me to be enthusiastic about the Democrats.

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    • MagicShel@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree with a decent chunk of that, not all, and even what I disagree with, it’s more like lukewarm agreement because I think it would cause as many problems as it fixes. I was just trying to respond to your frustration. Not aggravate you further.

      Kamala isn’t everything anyone would want, but the things you want to see are more likely during or asa following to a Harris administration. I know none of this mollifies you. There are urgent matters that are hurting us to do slowly and in half measures. But Harris moves us closer than Trump and for most of us that’s all we can do.

      Of course I have a Midwest, swing state perspective. And’s I have the perspective of watching things change over 50 years. I know many of the policies you and I want would lose Kamala the race. I don’t want her to lose either because the far left stays home or because she’s forced to adopt policies that lose the states that the election hinges on.

      If you ask me, gerrymandering is the root cause of much of the polarization and extremism in this country and I think it is urgent to end it or at least let democrats draw the lines. And we need to look at the judiciary. That all takes a lot of time, unfortunately.

      I could go on and on with how much I agree with you and why. But we have two choices, and one moves this country in a better direction whether a little or a lot, and the other makes us all a hell of a lot worse off. I can’t endorse any statement that says they are basically the same.

      But, friend, keep fighting. You are right about a great many things. I just implore you to do it strategically and not let “great” be the enemy of “better.”

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      • demesisx@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not sure why it made me reply to myself instead. Pasting in comment here:

        That’s fair. Thanks for at least discussing it with me. I beg to differ on the whole, “we need to appeal to the Centrists and reach across the isle” trap that the two party system put your perspective into. That reaching seems to conveniently only happen in one direction. It’s the one-way valve of corporatism!

        Anyway, thanks for the discussion. It was fun making that list. 😂

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    • ravhall@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re asking for too much all at once. Don’t forget, these people are people and those people have to get things passed within a group. A single administration wouldn’t be able to do that, even if they tried.

      Of your list, what are you top 5 desires from a candidate regarding reform/actions within the country?

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      • demesisx@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I just made a list that I could think of. The top ones are at the top. Then, I just went into fantasy mode, obviously. TBH, I wanted to keep going. Haha.

        Here’s the only three I will absolutely fight someone over, though.

        • anti-genocide
        • Single Payer (not Medicare For All who want it)
        • ending the two-party system (this one is probably the most important since it prevents the ever-rightward push that corporate personhood foist upon society but the fact that neither party offers my first two is yet another telltale sign of this non-democratic election sham we have here)

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