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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Jezebel: Feminist media site shuts down after 16 years⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Imo it's the latter. It didn't start that way, but in the last decade they gradually shifted to being simply inflammatory on purpose because that brings clicks, and on top of that they regularly did dumb shit like complain about sexualization and male gaze one week (often, though not always, legitimately, but mostly it was literally just complaining without any further insight, which I personally dislike) and next week publish an article with photos of top male bulges in some sport that, apart from the gender being swapped, was literally worse than what they complained about with regards to sexualizing women.

Personally I say good riddance, but I'm biased by a deep dislike for people who use identity politics to create divisive clickbait.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
I mean, ignorant, fine, but propagandist??
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

Deimos is a dumb piece of shit. Evidence is that Tildes is somehow still invite only after like five fucking years.

Why do you think this is a bad thing? The best discussion board that I've been a member of by a wide margin (not mentioning names, it's all in Czech anyways) has been invite only for 20 years now. It's a tried and true way to limit eternal september as long as the community is active enough to not die out, which hasn't happened yet on Tildes.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Well the rules are pretty clear in that you can call other people's ideas stupid, but not other people stupid. Personally I prefer spaces with hands-off moderation and focus on free speech, but those generally don't work in a general discussion platform without any implicit gatekeeping to keep idiots away, so I'm giving this style a chance and so far the results have been far better than most places on Reddit on Lemmy.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
Did you mean "social democracy"? I don't think there's actual socialism anywhere there - that's still capitalism, only with a strong welfare system, which has downsides, but it's obviously viable at least in some societies.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
I'm mostly staying in an invite-only board in my local language that's been functional for like 20 years now and is smarter than Reddit has ever been, but I'm also spending some time on Tildes, which is honestly not bad. Like lemmy, it has a pretty strong leftist bias (which is a problem for me because not being from US or western Europe I don't really fall into their left-right division), but it's much smarter and less toxic, so disagreement without too much bullshit is possible.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

Reddit’s early days were similar, but internet culture has definitely gotten more intense since the early 2010s.

Has it really been that way? I've been on reddit since 2010 and from what I remember it was definitely much more nerdy and full of tech people who live on the internet, but I don't think it had much in common with what we call "terminally online" today. I associate "terminally online" with people who really care about things like culture wars and trying to push their views on others, spending a lot of time arguing about it. Whereas reddit in 2010 was much more homogenous - the stereotypes about forever alone IT nerds with nerdy hobbies were much more true than now, but that meant there were nowhere near as many cultural things to argue about. People sometimes had really weird or controversial opinions, but there was not a lot of added toxicity about it that's omnipresent now in the discussions.

Ime the "terminally online" problems with toxicity and culture wars only started around 2014-15 with the rise of "online feminism", that seemed like the first big division into two hostile groups that spent significant time just attacking each other.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
I don't think you understand what I mean, so I'll try to rephrase.

Knowing that bad shit is happening and accepting that it's bad shit is one thing. Wallowing in it and pointlessly arguing about it (not normally discussing it in a measured way) is a separate thing that is not necessary and helps neither the ones participating nor the community in general. It's possible to do it differently and many are capable of it.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
My experience is that firstly Lemmy is not that diverse and secondly that there are platforms that are not that diverse either but are much more open and capable of discussion. Tildes for example is in general too progressive for me (I'm not from the US, so I don't really fit into its politics/culture wars left-right division, though I'm closer to the left), but it's nowhere near as toxic as political threads around here and it's normally possible to have discussion and disagree in a civil way.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
The problem is that the people OP complains about generally don't want to see anything else and pointlessly argue with you if you do it. Personally I'm slowly ending my Lemmy experiment and posting somewhere where the majority cares and is capable of normal discussion.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨[deleted]⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
This is the problem though. It's fine to mention them and be informed, but there is no need to wallow in how horrible the world is and shut down anybody who disagrees, which is what OP is complaining about. Those are two separate things, the second one is a choice and there are places where it doesn't happen.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Where did the abbreviation "w/" for "with" come from?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

RANT: While I know that language changes all the time, I find it very unfortunate that this little fellow o/ and possibly his slightly more formal friend o7 have become synonymous with “nazi salute”. First off, it’s the wrong arm! And second off, what do you have against “man waving” and “man saluting”?

Have they really? Never seen o7 used that way, with o/ it's more understandable, but since one can easily just use \o (or use an actual unicode swastika) I just don't see it getting that controversial. Seems even less known than the triple parentheses thing, which is something that most people who don't spend their lives on the internet never heard about.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Lemmy is slowly dying while Reddit thriving⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
My experience so far has been:
- "default" reddit, like /r/popular etc. has been worse, because reddit started using some form of "the algorithm" which pretty aggressively pushes controversial subreddits with high engagement, and those tend to be dumb and toxic. Amitheasshole, twohottakes etc. are the most obvious ones.
- customized, highly selective reddit with as much crap from the frontpage as possible unsubscribed from is not significantly worse than a year ago, but then again, it was already pretty bad a year ago. Since the API changes I've had 3 people block me to get the last word in an argument, for simply disagreeing with them, without me being an asshole. This is quite annoying in a small subreddit where such a person posts regularly, but it may have just been bad luck.
- Lemmy... Well, 3 things that I probably dislike about reddit the most, not because they're the worst things that happen there, but because they're so damn prevalent, are overmoderation (heavy handed deletions of posts and comment trees, unnecessarily locking threads that are even mildly controversial, things like banning people for ever posting in a controversial community etc.), strong american partisanship where if people realize you don't agree with them on everything with regards to society/politics/culture wars, they immediately assume you're from the opposite american camp and that you must have bad intentions, and finally simply people not being very smart on average.
Well, all three of those problems seem to be just as prevalent on large Lemmy instances, the first two even more in some places. And whereas on reddit many people understood that you're probably not realistically going to be able to create an alternative subreddit to some huge default with hundreds of thousands of users, so the "go make your own subreddit" copout is not very practical, here "go make your own instance" seems to be one of the default reactions to any criticisms.

That said, Tildes seems to be doing okay. It's even smaller and it doesn't really try to be a reddit alternative, but it's considerably smarter and more sane on average than both Reddit and Lemmy.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨A little rant about lemmy.ml⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:
This is especially true for lemmy.ml. Political arguments and circlejerking sometimes start in completely unrelated topics and comments literally saying that every right winger is a fascist get lots of upvotes. It's like a distilled version of some far left subreddits.