Pierre121000
@Pierre121000@lemmy.ml
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- Comment on In the future, it will be considered unbelievable that repairing a product used to be more expensive than buying a new one 1 week ago:
Most people instead buy pre-hung doors.
Bad example i.m.o. since when the hinge break they don’t buy a new door(whole), but swap the broken hinge(part) for a new one.
Good example in the case of DIY though, since the hassle may not be worth the time spent.most components can’t be so easily replaced.
Every module in my computer, mouse, keyboard, screen, or, i.d.k., lamp torch, can be easily replaced with a screwdriver.
Even phones could be made easy to open. If you have a counter-example in mind to « unless when the part is difficult to access, which doesn’t seem to be an engineering necessity in most cases ? » written above, then i’m interested.Even if you have access to spare parts, it takes a lot of time to repair something even as simple as a radio.
But opening it and swapping the spare part(, well, welding it back then,) took less than 5mns.
What took a long time was opening it without breaking anything since it was fragile, with parts glued together. Radios were more complex than nowadays.
And they didn’t stop at swapping the spare part apparently, but ran a full diagnostic because other parts aged as well and, e.g., a shorted transistor could overheat a transformer.
To me, it seems like asking for an individual to repair his watch himself by getting a spare part, these are the kind of situations that should be done by pros. But then even if it takes many hours we’re not talking about a 20€ product, so it’s usually worth it to repair instead of buying a new one(, which is why people repaired them instead of buying new ones).
Other examples could include houses or cars, which are repaired because buying new ones wouldn’t be worth it.But the example of the radio still goes in my direction, because back it was difficult to swap the spare parts and yet people still went through the trouble of repairing it.
How much more would it then be pertinent for objects that are thrown away while a pro could easily swap the spare part in 5mns(, or an individual do it h.er.im.self).Unless you can automate the entire repair process, increased automation will make us more likely to throw things away.
You’re saying that more human labor would be required to swap a part than to build the whole product, and i disagree 🤷
I even think that less human labor would be required to swap a part than to build it.
Many humans will be involved with the production process, which starts from mining and end with selling.And worse, automation makes it easier just to start from scratch.
Not easier to build the whole than the part
You can always take a broken device, throw it in a crucible with a mountain of other broken devices, and just melt the whole lot down.
Not really :)
- Comment on In the future, it will be considered unbelievable that repairing a product used to be more expensive than buying a new one 1 week ago:
Sure, i’m optimistic
It’s always going to be easier to automate the production of goods than the repair of goods.
We can automate the production of spare parts.
And swapping a part for another is quick and can usually be done by the consumer(, or by a pro if it’s more complex).
Repairing a part is hard, but swapping it is usually easy, unless when the part is difficult to access which doesn’t seem to be an engineering necessity in most cases ? - Comment on In the future, it will be considered unbelievable that repairing a product used to be more expensive than buying a new one 1 week ago:
I looked into buying a DIY kit for making a mouse recently in order to easily repair it(, and eventually improve/customize it i.d.k., at least understand it better), but there’s not much choice so i gave up and bought one at 30€.
you often find it is made of parts you can replace
But good luck to find these parts, they have a serial number but from my experience with a computer screen, the circuit board is really expensive and takes a long time to ship, so they told me to just buy a new one. That’s probably why most objects are just thrown away and people don’t even attempt to repair them(, if it was cheaper that practice would probably be more widespread)
I have repaired my computer mouse recently
You opened it and found a spare part online for a cheap enough price ?
- Comment on In the future, it will be considered unbelievable that repairing a product used to be more expensive than buying a new one 1 week ago:
Wow
It also reminds me that it was apparently cheaper to destroy most of the military equipment when leaving Afghanistan than rapatriating it.
- Comment on In the future, it will be considered unbelievable that repairing a product used to be more expensive than buying a new one 1 week ago:
Industry and automation made production way more cost efficient
It should be cheaper to build a new part(, and change that part,) than a new whole(, and buy that whole).
And i.d.k. if it’s the only reason : the cost of producing is much cheaper outside the west, it’s cheaper for westerners to buy from non-westerners, and conversely.
If i keep the example of the computer mouse, it couldn’t cost 20€ if it was produced locally, if only because it takes much more than 2 cumulated hours to build one, at a minimum wage of 10€/h.
Conversely though, it’d mean that it’d be very expensive for a non-westerner to buy products made in the west, which is the case, but we can still manage to sell them because we have a monopoly on new technologies(, with e.g. Japan or South Korea, but then again their minimum wage is high as well so it’s the same remark), such as planes or softwares. - Comment on In the future, it will be considered unbelievable that repairing a product used to be more expensive than buying a new one 1 week ago:
I.d.k., 50 years ?
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From xkcd.com/1338
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