Kelsey Hightower is one of the most influential voices in the Kubernetes community. During his career, he worked in a variety of engineering roles at Puppet Labs and CoreOS before joining Google, where he became a developer advocate and engineer working with Kubernetes. In this episode, Kelsey talks with Eberhard about the evolution of modern infrastructure, Kubernetes, and what these changes mean for software development more broadly. They explore the ideas, practices, and lessons that matter when building and operating software in an increasingly complex world. Links - [GopherCon 2017: Self Deploying Kubernetes Applications - Kelsey Hightower](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPC-hFL-4lU) - [self-deploying-hello-universe source code](https://github.com/kelseyhightower/self-deploying-hello-universe)