Submitted 1 year ago by natecox@programming.dev to meta@programming.dev
Do we have an established practice for requesting defederation?
I would very much like to request that we defederate from burggit.moe (because I would prefer to keep my lemmy experience free of loli porn) and I went looking for the best way to do this, but the best I could come up with was posting to meta and that seems like the wrong place.
I feel like I missed something obvious ¯_(ツ)_/¯
You might try blocking the communities on your end.
Honestly, I don’t really want to click into a bunch of CSAM communities to block them individually.
Loli isn’t CSAM…in a lot of countries it’s completely legal. Also do you not have the NSFW blur option enabled? Then you don’t have to see anything when you go there to block it.
Oh, yeah gross… I briefly looked at their instance and it looked like Hentai. Not my thing, but who am I to kink shame.
CSAM is unacceptable though.
Ategon@programming.dev 1 year ago
Currently the process has been to request it in meta since I didnt think it would be common enough to flood out other meta posts and since its meta about the instance, ill check out burggit and report back with what will happen to it (whether that be defederation, purging specific communities, or nothing)
natecox@programming.dev 1 year ago
I really appreciate the follow up on this, thanks for taking the time to look into it.
UlrikHD@programming.dev 1 year ago
Not all that interested in defederation of the mentioned instance, but I’m curious about the DMCA justification. Do they have active requests they are ignoring, or is it just theoretical scenario for now?
What is the implication of this for future potential defederations. I don’t expect instances in Russia and similar countries to care much for western DMCA requests.
Ategon@programming.dev 1 year ago
Theoretical scenario so in the future we can’t be hit by a giant wave of requests for things we don’t manage. We’re already a relatively small team and can’t add the legal workload of a bunch of other sites. If it becomes a problem with some other instances we can purge their communities or defederate if they don’t want to manage it but burggit explicitly says in their instance description DMCA ignored while others dont
Supermariofan67@programming.dev 1 year ago
I kindly urge you to reconsider this decision, as there are several communities on that instance I subscribe to and enjoy. There are plenty of SFW communities there related to touhou, music, and other topics for example.
As for 1, the instance does not seem to focus very heavily on piracy, though it does allow it. There are several piracy related instances that are arguably a larger concern with regards to this. And as for 2, although the instance does allow lolicon hentai, this material is not illegal in the US, and is protected free speech as long as it passes the same “Miller test” that any porn must. The instance does not allow or contain actual CSAM. Lolicon material, although offensive to some, is not CSAM, neither morally nor under the law.
Ategon@programming.dev 1 year ago
DMCA isnt piracy, its copyrighted content. There are piracy communities that discuss piracy but dont provide links to the actual content (if theres some that do that link me them and ill deal with them). If the admins decide to follow it I can reverse this decision
Its a gray area in the US (with certain states banning it themselves) and things like the PROTECT Act existing (which is added on to the miller test, it has more than just that to follow) and due to that I would rather err on the side of caution