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If you have to enable it every time, it’s complicated

But you don’t. As I already explained: secret chats stay in the messages list, so you can go back to an initiated secret chat and pick up there without any additional fiddling.

I have plenty of encrypted chats that I don’t have to enable every time I want to send one. I don’t understand where this misconception comes from.

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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Surely you talk to more than one or two people, no? If you have to manually check a box or something every time you start a new message with someone, people are going to stop doing it.

It’s not an encrypted chat app. It’s an unencrypted chat app that has an option for encrypted chats. Whether something is encrypted or not depends on how most people use it and what the defaults are.

Signal is an encrypted chat app. E2EE is the default and AFAIK only behavior. Telegram can be encrypted, but it’s not by default, and defaults matter.

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- woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Surely you talk to more than one or two people, no? If you have to manually check a box or something every time you start a new message with someone, people are going to stop doing it.
  
  Maybe you get acquainted to 100 new people every day, so your day is a constant chore of starting secret chats all the time. I don’t. I doubt regular people do. Just start the secret chat once and then pick it up later.
  
  Signal is an encrypted chat app.
  
  Except for the locally stored data which is not encrypted and Signal’s attitude is that device encryption is up to the user.
  
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  - sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    True, device encryption should be up to the user. Mine is encrypted, and most smartphones have encrypted storage these days. I actually have mine reboot after a period of inactivity, which removes the encryption keys from memory.
    
    That said, they should have an option for app data encryption, but that’s hardly a requirement IMO, because I care far more about data being encrypted in transit than at rest on my devices. I can encrypt data at rest on my machines, I can’t encrypt data in-transit unless that’s baked in to the service.
    
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    woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    That said, they should have an option for app data encryption, but that’s hardly a requirement IMO
    
    So Telegram is not an encrypted messenger because there are types of messages that are not E2E encrypted but Signal is a encrypted messenger because encrypting local storage is optional. Got it.
    
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    pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    most smartphones have encrypted storage these days
    
    Encrypted from your girlfriend or yourself if you forgot your gesture, but not from Google/Apple/Government or anyone who actually wants your data.
    
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