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imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Cool solution. It’s great to have multiple projects in the fediverse that can experiment with different features/formats.

For those who are concerned about possible downsides, I think it’s important to understand that

PieFed has a small userbase
Rimu is an active admin, so if you are attempting to combat brigading or other bad behavior and this makes it more difficult, just send them a DM and they will be happy to help out

This is a good environment to test this feature because Rimu can keep a close watch over everything. We can’t become paralyzed by the hypothetical ways that bad actors might abuse new features or systems. The only way forward is through trial and error, and the fact that PieFed exists makes that process significantly faster and less disruptive.

This is an attempt to add more privacy to the fediverse. If the consequences turn out for the worse, then we can either try something else, or live with the lack of privacy. Either way, we’ll be better off than having never tried anything at all.

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imaqtpie@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Just upvoted myself but nobody else knows 🤫

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- arcuru@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Point being, you can still track serial downvoters and harassment just as easily. But now you will need to take an extra step and message the instance admin (Rimu) and ask that they either reveal the identity of the linked profile or deal with it themselves. And that’s a good thing, imho.
  
  This puts the privacy shield in the hands of a users instance admin. I like that approach, but I’m sure others will disagree.
  
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  - doctortran@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This is more or less how it worked on Reddit. The admins handled vote spam or abuse, there was absolutely no expectation for moderators to have that information because the admins were dealing with the abuse cases. Moderators only concerned themselves with content and comments, the voting was the heart of how the whole thing works, and therefore only admins could see and affect them. Least privilege, basically.
    
    I think a side effect of this, though, is that it increases the responsibility on admins to only federate with instances that have active and cooperative admins. It increases their responsibilities and demands active monitoring, which isn’t a bad thing, but I worry about how the instances that federates openly by default will continue to operate.
    
    If you have to trust the admins, how do you handle new admins, or increasingly absent ones? What if their standards for what constitutes “harassment” don’t match yours? Does the whole instances get defederated? What if it’s a large instance, where communities will be cut off?
    
    I don’t ask any of this as a way to put down this effort because I very, very much want to see this change, but there’s gonna be hurtles that have to be overcome
    
    Ultimately I think the best solution would need assistance from the devs but I’m lieu of that, we have to make due.
    
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- can@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You wouldn't dare!
  
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- Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  You don’t even need to message an admin. You can just ban the agent doing the voting.
  
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- mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  All I see through Lemmy.ca View Vote option as an instance admin
  
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