Comment on Spreading of the 100 biggest Lemmy communities

• Dave@lemmy.nz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think it would definitely be nice to spread users across more instances. Doubly so since I’m on an instance that is struggling with the volume of content from Lemmy.world because of what is effectively a limit of how much you can get from one instance at a time.

  But if we want people on Lemmy who don’t know what Linux is, then we need to avoid that massive barrier of asking users to pick an instance. And the second massive barrier of registration applications.

  A good compromise I think would be to have multiple trusted servers with open registrations that the app randomly defaults them to when they go to sign up for an account.

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  • Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Doubly so since I’m on an instance that is struggling with the volume of content from Lemmy.world because of what is effectively a limit of how much you can get from one instance at a time.

    Are you okay lately? I had a look the other day, seems almost fixed:

    …lem.rocks/…/federation-health-single-instance-ov…

    Aussie.zone on the other is almost a week behind: …lem.rocks/…/federation-health-single-instance-ov…

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    • Dave@lemmy.nz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We are fine, but it’s not fixed. I have a second VPS running in Finland, using this queue batcher. The Lemmy.world team kindly set up their server to point to this VPS instead of the actual Lemmy.nz server, then the VPS collects all the events and sends them to the Lemmy.nz server in batches of 100.

      It keeps us up to date, but it’s cheating 😆

      Last I heard Aussie.zone doesn’t have this setup, but they do have a prefetcher (or rather, Nothing4You, who made the queue batcher, is running a prefetcher for them). This basically takes the new comments and posts from Lemmy.world, and sends a request to Aussie.zone to fetch that post. Because this happens outside the normal federation queue it can be done in parallel. It means when Aussie.zone receives the federated activity from Lemmy.world, it already has it, so it can reply quicker and process more events per second. Lemmy clears out activities older than a week in a weekly scheduled job, which is why you will see Aussie.zone’s backlog drop a bit once a week. They won’t get that content from Lemmy.world, it’s just lost. Because of the prefetcher, it’s likely just up/down votes (which can’t be prefetched).

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      • Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Very interesting, thanks!

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  • ricdeh@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But if we want people on Lemmy who don’t know what Linux is, then we need to avoid that massive barrier of asking users to pick an instance. And the second massive barrier of registration applications.

    How so? Those things do not have anything to do with each other. The concept of Lemmy instances can literally be explained in less than a minute.

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    • Dave@lemmy.nz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When a user (say, my mother) gets to a page that says pick a server, she would immediately close the page and go do something else. How do you even begin to choose a server? What if you get it wrong? What should you consider when picking a server?

      Its a simple concept that can be explained in a minute. But if you don’t have someone sitting next to you that understands it and can explain it, that user is gone.

      Registration applications are an unrelated barrier but a barrier none the less. You don’t have to apply to Facebook and wait to be approved. People expect to just be able to sign up and immediately go.

      For anyone familiar with the fediverse both of these things seem like non-issues. But for your average Facebook user. Hell, even your average reddit user, they will take one look at either a page telling them to pick a server or a page telling them they have to apply and wait, and unless they are familiar with the Fediverse already then they will back away slowly (or quickly).

      When my instance turned on registration applications, there was a 10x drop in the number of registrations, and I’ve heard similar numbers from others.

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      • Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I usually just mentioned lemm.ee nowadays.

        It’s solidly managed, and the second largest instance, so All feed is going to be as populated as the LW one. Also, neutral name (sorry sh.itjust.works)

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• Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Isn’t this a bit ironic coming from someone on a LW account? Genuinely asking 😄

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  • Persen@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I made the account here, when it wasn’t as popular and I’m way too lazy to migrate.

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