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• interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes this is the biggest flaw of Lemmy. It happens because if you go to /c/books, the default view is not an alglomeration of all /c/books on all federated servers.

  There are many bullshit reason why this has been refused. Some people try to push for a useless multi-reddit-like solution instead.

  But there are fatal consequence for Lemmy not doing this. Largely it concentrates all the power into the hands of the “one big community” (inevitable under current conditions) in the one big instance.

  The decentralization promise of Lemmy has been effectively defused by the Lemmy elite from the get go.

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  • Natanael@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Honestly it shouldn’t be either. Moderation requirements are too different and the direction and culture can be way too different.

    HOWEVER what we should have is official support for publishing multi-subs, like reddit’s multireddit feature, where multiple mod teams can agree to advertise their chosen combo that displays a hybrid view.

    The most complicated part here is deduplication of threads. That’s easiest to deal with by detecting crossposts and showing them as a single view with comments from all participating subs.

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    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I disagree on all points. Moderation is irrelevant to an agglomerated view and without a DEFAULT view of the entire Lemmyverse, it will just centralize around the “one big community”, it is already happening. “Multireddit” feature is useless against this. If full agglomeration view is not the default view of /c/books then it will never make sense to post anywhere but “the one big community”. This kills decentralization and dooms Lemmy to be just teddit with extra steps.

      It is probably already too late for lemmy, the entrenched Lemmy elites would probably block this from becoming the default even if the codebase supported it.

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      • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think the real trick should be having big communities in many different instances.

        It’s okay to have a big community on one instance, it’s like having a forum hosted at one server. The problem arises when most big communities are on the same big server.

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      • Natanael@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That already happens in the global popular feed though, I already see multiple variations of the same subs across different servers without subscribing.

        Any shared agglomorated view based just on name needs to allow subs to opt out (I run /r/crypto on reddit, and it’s for CRYPTOGRAPHY and I wished all the spammers would go and set themselves on fire) and you absolutely can not force it onto everybody.

        You’re also stuck with the same problem of less popular subs not getting many views because their content ends up last, because they don’t have as big dedicated userbases.

        You also get an even worse problem of malicious servers faking high popularity to dominate (like when /r/T_D manipulated reddit) if you do it the naive way. And new users won’t know the best place to post to (usually the place with the most reliable mods).

        You also can’t do thread deduplication without cooperating mods, so you get intense clutter. You also break apart sub specific culture if they get flooded by strangers.

        The only way you can even get close to a sane implementation with your take is by putting a banner at the top of every thread in that view with the host sub description and the rules and forcing everybody to agree before interacting. Otherwise off topic content gets upvoted when it shouldn’t, sub specific events gets ruined immediately, and people will get pissed when they get moderated under rules they should’ve read but didn’t.

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