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A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Let this post be the one to ask a question that’s been bothering me (not a coder):

Multi-model local AI inference, runs 24/7 on a Raspberry Pi.

This and similar claims in other software suggest - to me - that the AI is running locally on the raspi, no need to exchange data with sites providing AI APIs or whatever.

I struggle to believe that this is possible, let alone on a raspi.

So, how “local” ar the AIs that help more and more software with various tasks?

Is “local AI” some sort of selling point that is often false or deliberately misleading? “Localwashing”?

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curbstickle_lw@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Audio processing by ai can absolutely happen on a pi.

As an example, whisper.cpp is a high performance speech recognition model, and it does a great job. The biggest version of it as a model requires less than 5GB to live fully in memory, the large model at about 1.5billion parameters, and it works great even CPU only.

The one used most often is small, which has about 244million parameters, and needs about a gig of ram and nothing more.

For a pi 5, usually the base or tiny model are used. Small could be used in most scenarios, but tiny and base are able to run real-time.

So it depends for how local - sometimes its all self contained and can do just fine on a pi, sometimes its local in that it needs an LLM endpoint to hit, but that can be running on another system entirely.

It would really depend on the project for how/where/why for a definition of local.

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JTode@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Listen, everything that they are doing by scorching the planet and turning the tap water brown, could be achieved on CPU or much smaller GPUs on local machines - it’s a question of focused, tight training. What they’re doing instead is literally attempting to build gigantic models that take in absolutely everything (burning real books in the process because fuck history we got money to make) and attempting to sell the idea that this brute force, one-thing-does-it-all approach, which requires us to give up everything else that is good in the world, is the only way forward, and yes, we must build the roko basilisk now.

It’s a big, big grift.

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- irmadlad@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Listen, everything that they are doing by scorching the planet and turning the tap water brown, could be achieved on CPU or much smaller GPUs on local machines
  
  Didn’t downvote you however, are you saying if I ran an AI model local, that scorching the planet and turning the tap water brown is ok with you, just because it’s local?. Because that’s exactly what we’re are doing when we access the internet. Throw AI out of the scope, and we’re still pumping massive amounts of carbon in to the air, still turning the water brown. There are 8.4 billion people on this planet. Approximately 6.3 billion of them are online. That’s just individual humans. That doesn’t include the hundreds of thousands of data centers that aren’t even connected with AI.
  
  So, who will be the first to actually practice what you preach and shut down your servers and internet devices? C’mon…make the first step towards a cleaner planet.
  
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  - JTode@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This whole internet could run on a tiny fraction of what it current consumes, with no drop in service levels… if the extraction of profit from every single interaction was not prioritized.
    
    That being said, I was addressing someone who refused to believe that local inference was even possible on CPU; this tells me that the efforts to present the current grift as the only and inevitable AI outcome is working, on minds that do not fundamentally grasp what the technology is, nor what it’s doing. I think the tech is great, and highly useful - the way they are implementing has perverse incentives and existential outcomes, and it does not have to be that way, but it is, because capitalism.
    
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    irmadlad@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    This whole internet could run on a tiny fraction of what it current consumes, with no drop in service levels
    
    But it doesn’t.
    
    … if the extraction of profit from every single interaction was not prioritized.
    
    But it is.
    
    So, now what are we going to do? Give me real world solutions that will actually fix the issue, which would be implemented by real world corporations and real world data centers. I’m not problem hampered, I’m solution based. So let’s fix it.
    
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pyr0ball@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Specialized models can be made incredibly efficient. The big tech guys are trying to replace humans which is why their crap takes such huge servers to run. Building local-first/only just means you need to specialize the model and the pipeline to match what you’re doing

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robottoaster@mander.xyz@mander.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It can run on device on your phone birdnet.cornell.edu

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agile_squirrel@lemmy.ml ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I haven’t verified it, but it local ML models on audio is pretty efficient and should run fine on a raspberry pi.

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- irmadlad@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If you’re speaking of audio analysis ML or AI models, they are quite efficient. As a mediocre musician, who is clinically deaf and cannot hear some frequencies with enough clarity to make a judgement either way, I lean on AI assisted audio mastering. I haven’t dabbled in AI generated music, but with the right DAW and a handful of plugins, some keyboards and instruments, you can do a lot right in the comfort of your home.
  
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chaospatterns@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s a small model that runs on your machine using a TFLite model. AI/ML models come in many different sizes. Some more conducive for running locally than others. There’s more info on the detection pipeline here.

I didn’t write this, just found and self hosted it.

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