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pepecyb@hub.hubzilla.hu@hub.hubzilla.hu ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

@Jupiter Rowland

I’ll throw in one more thought here about Forte’s nomadic identity: it’s theoretical!

Yes, it’s supposed to work. But I don’t know myself whether it actually does. Even though I run a Forte Hub myself.

Why?

Because there are probably very few Forte Hubs; you simply can’t find them (in any of the usual Fediverse databases). Because you can search for them (if you know where and how, you might even find a few, but virtually none where registration is open).

So, with my Forte channel on my own Forte Hub (which, incidentally, is open for registrations), I have a nomadic channel, but simply no account where I could clone it (even just to test it out).

For me, therefore, the nomadic identity is purely theoretical.

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jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu@hub.netzgemeinde.eu ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
@Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂ In a sense, the same applies to (streams)' post-FEP-ef61 nomadic identity.

I've managed to clone a few (streams) channels, but all my (streams) accounts are pre-FEP-ef61. Most accounts registered post-FEP-ef61 were registered into a (streams) ecosystem that barely offered any servers to clone to.

I guess that (streams) and Forte have fewer than 50 users combined, most of whom run their own private servers for exactly one user and with probably exactly one or two channels, depending on whether or not they daily-drive the admin channel.

What's really standing in the way of both testing nomadic identity on (streams) and Forte and for either to succeed is the lack of people willing and able to run public servers with open registration, regardless of how big these servers will be. Not just set them up, keep them running and peek in every three to six months, but actually pay attention to them and keep them well-maintained.

But then again, we've only got a small handful of such people on Hubzilla. Not many beyond Mark and you, which is why Mark holds most of Hubzilla on his two hubs. And because Scott doesn't really get his planned hubs going, even Americans join Mark's two German hubs.

Vice versa, if a German wants to try out (streams), they may have to join Waitman's American server. Ping times from hell included.

Nomadic identity as a whole is a purely theoretical construct as long as you've got nowhere to clone to.
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kubaurbanowicz@zotum.net ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
@Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂
bluenomad@forte.hubzilla.net – is that you? I have found about a dozen streams/forte instances using Google search including https://forte.hubzilla.net
I remote-logged on them and read some posts. The post on installing Forte from Yunohost was quite interesting to me, because that's what I was planning to do.
On thing threw me: after remote login you are presented with a list of applications. Strange.
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- lotfi@hub.volse.no ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  @Jakub Urbanowicz
  The post on installing Forte from Yunohost was quite interesting to me
  
  In this regard, you can contact the maintainer of the Forte repository on Yunohost here: @Papa Dragon (now on Forte)
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- pepecyb@hub.hubzilla.hu@hub.hubzilla.hu ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yes, forte.hubzilla.net is my hub (open for registrations) and my channel there is called Blue Nomad.
  
  On Fediverse Observer, you can actually find quite a few Forte hubs. But without the option to register, that doesn’t really help either.
  
  I don’t use Google. But tell me, how (using which search term) did you search? Probably not just ‘Forte’, because you’re hardly likely to spot the hubs amongst all the medicines 😉😂.
  
  My hub runs on YunoHost… and at the moment, the update frequency is going relatively well too.
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  - kubaurbanowicz@zotum.net ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    @Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂
    I just searched for some words and phrases from the login page, like "remote authentication"+forte or you can look up URLs with site:forte.* .
    The following instances have their registrations open:
    https://forte.diablocanyon2.com/
    https://forte.blurstoftimes.org/
    https://forte.eenoog.org/
    https://forteclone.raitisoja.cloud/
    https://f.morphtown.de/
    https://forte.spectraltheorem.be/
    Would you mind if I registered at your instance and experimented a little before I set up mine?
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    pepecyb@hub.hubzilla.hu@hub.hubzilla.hu ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    OK… that’s one way to search. But it’s not really for the average user. And all the hubs in your example are closed to new registrations.
    Feel free to create an account on forte.hubzilla.net!
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    jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu@hub.netzgemeinde.eu ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    @Jakub Urbanowicz That's weird.
    
    https://forte.fediverse.observer/list (yes, this exists) only lists one server with open registration, and that's one that you haven't found yet.
    
    Either the servers you've found actually don't have open registration, but they still have the option on the login form. Or it's nodeinfo spurting nonsense when it isn't supposed to.
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