Comment on Never give up

• Bigoldmustard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you can’t see how your behavior isn’t a real discussion I don’t want to have one.

    You literally said it’s impossible to have a real discussion online, and now you’re criticising someone for not engaging you in the way you want to have a “real discussion”?

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  • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I very much didn’t lay out my motivations, I think you may have me confused for someone else.

    But again, you’re not curious to understand because you think you already know everything you need to know about me.

    For what it’s worth, I am actually curious to understand what you mean, but I’m struggling to for reasons I’ve laid out. Your reasoning is very circular and self-contradictory and also a lot of the sentences are very hard to parse out.

    I am asking about whether you are curious to understand because I would like to have a real discussion, and I want to know if you are willing to also have one. So far you seem so convinced I would never actually listen to you that you therefore won’t listen to me. Unless and until that changes I don’t see this particular conversation achieving much.

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    • Bigoldmustard@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So what you’re saying is that you personally can’t be convinced by a post, and you’re extending that out to everyone else.

        This seems like a form of solipsism. If you don’t believe the posts you’re surrounded by are authentic, then nothing anyone says can convince you otherwise.

        Like for instance, I could tell you I’ve been convinced by things people have said online. Sometimes it’s in a context of debate, sometimes not. But if you think I’m only cynically saying that for the points, then I’m obviously just lying. It’s a perfect circle of protection.

        Ultimately only you can decide if you’re open to being convinced. The problem comes when you decide that’s everyone else’s problem. I can’t say what’s in your head and it’s hard to figure out what you mean here.

        I’d be interested to know what your online media diet is, because honestly I think most debate bros out there aren’t doing much of any worth, except again maybe performing to an audience. I don’t know what to say here. You say your head’s a mess, and I tend to agree. I can’t make head nor tails of what you’re saying. It sounds like you’re monologuing to yourself, and I’m not really qualified to interpret it. Only you are.

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