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Aphelion@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I see you’re not familiar with the trend of autonomous vehicles hitting pedestrians and parked cars. They’ve been completely banned from San Francisco after many, many incidents. So far their track is inferior to humans (see Tesla Autopilot, Waymo, and Cruise), so you don’t need to worry about perfect.

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UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
As someone who was literally just in San Fran, the driverless cars are not only a thing, but they’re booked out days in advance so idk where you’re getting your info from

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- Aphelion@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They were suspended last year. nytimes.com/…/cruise-driverless-san-francisco-sus…
  
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  - LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I was in 2 of them in Phoenix. June 18th/19th est time. Took one home from the bar, and one to go pick up the rental car from the bar to drop off at the air port.
    
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  - UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Here’s a picture of one driving around a couple weeks ago
    
    Self Driving in San Fran
    
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hakase@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

In December, Waymo safety data—based on 7.1 million miles of driverless operations—showed that human drivers are four to seven times more likely to cause injuries than Waymo cars.

From your first article.

Cruise, which is a subsidiary of General Motors, says that its safety record “over five million miles” is better in comparison to human drivers.

From your second.

Your third article doesn’t provide any numbers, but it’s not about fully autonomous vehicles anyway.

In short, if you’re going to claim that their track record is actually worse than humans, you need to provide some actual evidence.

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- Aphelion@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If you just look a pure numbers, sure, you can make it sound good. When you go look at the types of accidents, it’s pretty damning. Waymo and Cruise both have a history of hitting parked cars and emergency vehicles. Tesla Autopilot is notorious for accelerating at the back of parked emergency vehicles.
  
  The issue is not the overall track record on safety but how AV accidents almost always involve doing something incredibly stupid that any competent, healthy person would not.
  
  I’m not personally against self driving cars once they’re actually as competent as a human in determining their surroundings, but we’re not there yet.
  
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  - hakase@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    The issue is not the overall track record on safety but how AV accidents almost always involve doing something incredibly stupid that any competent, healthy person would not.
    
    As long as the overall number of injuries/deaths is lower for autonomous vehicles (and as you’ve acknowledged, that does seem to be what the data shows), I don’t care how “stupid” autonomous vehicles’ accidents are. Not to mention that their safety records will only improve as they get more time on the roads.
    
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