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Signal sucks from a UI/UX standpoint, when they dropped SMS support I lost any ability to convince people to switch, and everyone who had already switched left.

Then there’s the seamless switching between devices…which it doesn’t do.

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Hellmo_Luciferrari@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Using SMS through signal defeats the purpose of signal…

The UI is fine, what more do you expect out of it? It has a list of chats, a menu button with menu options, like it’s a messaging app not a social media platform akin to discord or telegram.

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TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m a signal donor and while I disagree with your point regarding UI (have you used in the past couple of years? It’s went from feeling dated to feeling pretty modern), yeah the SMS thing is a joke.

Even worse, though, is that the EU offered them the opportunity to become relevant on a silver platter, by forcing WhatsApp to open up their app and be cross-platform with others who want to. Signal said no thanks.

I get it, WhatsApp stores metadata, and Signal doesn’t like that. But they were fine with (way way worse) SMS for a while? The day Signal chose that path was the day Signal willingly chose to be irrelevant for the vast vast vast majority of people.

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- pandapoo@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  … agreeing to be directly compatible with Whatsapp would mean they agree to surrender the privacy for every single instance of Signal-WhatsApp communication.
  
  If the whole reason for your existence is privacy, it seems that it would be an existential danger to create a partnership with the implicit understanding that it will destroy privacy.
  
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  - TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Some level of privacy, yes. Solely in WhatsApp-signal chats.
    
    But you know what the alternative is? Nobody using signal. And that’s objectively worse.
    
    Cross-compatibility with WhatsApp would mean more people on signal, meaning more signal-signal chats.
    
    Signal-SMS is FAR less private, but they were fine with that for years.
    
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    pandapoo@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Those choices don’t occur in a vacuum.
    
    What do you think happens to the nonprofit foundation built entirely around a fanatical devotion to privacy, if they partnered with Facebook. Not just partnered with, but in doing so, weakened the overall privacy of their platform.
    
    Putting aside adoption rates, how does that impact their organizational sustainment and viability e.g. their ability to draw in donations, retain talent, or stay independent?
    
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