Comment on Porco Rosso
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Fantastic movie!
There is a problematic aspect, but it’s never too problematic to be a deal breaker.
Comment on Porco Rosso
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Fantastic movie!
There is a problematic aspect, but it’s never too problematic to be a deal breaker.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 day ago
What was problematic?
ShaggyBlarney@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
There’s the general sexism present and the objectification/sexualization of Fio. These are both appropriate for the time period and pivotal points to the character development. You have Porco going from believing a girl can’t possibly help rebuild his plane to him fighting off a bunch of guys who can’t see past her as nothing but an object.
Snowcano@startrek.website 1 day ago
Sorry but this is silly. It’s like someone saying, “Well the bad guy in XYZ movie was a nazi which is problematic, therefore the movie is.” Like, what?
The presence of problematic ideas is not in itself an issue. In almost any instance that Fio is objectified it’s immediately shown that it’s a flawed perspective of the characters doing it, which goes for Gina too (though she’s a badass and knows how to use it to work the people dishing it out to her). The movie’s voice doesnt endorse any of it, and if anything rejects those things outright any time they’re brought up.
Is media literacy even a thing anymore?
pleb_maximus@piefed.zip 20 hours ago
Why think about media when you just can simply label something as problematic instead?
nullspace@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I heard Inglorious Bastards had Nazis in it which is kind of problematic.
ShaggyBlarney@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
Im not saying these are problematic, just what others have seen as problematic. They are themes that are part of the story and character. It is silly to point them out as problematic, but people are silly.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 hours ago
Anyone familiar with anime understands why an audience might not trust an anime to portray sexism and pedophilia as a serious character flaw.
Anyone familiar with Ghibli should know they’re built different and basically always have been.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
Porco and Fio’s own grandfather’s treatment of her is definitely written into the story to show what figurative pigs and chauvinists they are. IMO chauvinism is the very strong central theme of Porco Rosso.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
There’s a teenage girl who gets overly sexualized, but at the same time, it’s kind of so over the top it’s pointing out the issue that her other characteristics are ignored for it.
It’s also a film set in the 20s/30s in Italy and the Adriatic, made in the 80s, so kind of a product of the time. Apparently the dialog in other languages plays out slightly different, so the English dub might be part of the issue.
Personally, I do not think it’s over the line or gross, but some people do and it makes them not enjoy the movie.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 day ago
As infinitesunrise pointed out, it’s been ages since I’ve seen the movie, but I don’t remember her being sexualized from the perspective of the audience, only the literal pig sexualizing her, and then growing as a person.
We live in a society which sexualizes teenage women, a work including teenage women being sexualized doesn’t make the work itself problematic if it’s in a negative or simply realistic context.
belluck@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
The MC being a pig is a reference to the phrase „Porco Rosso“ (Red Pig), which was used by Italian fascists to refer to communists. He’s actually one of the most ethical characters in the movie. He is sexist at first (as are most men in this setting), but acknowledges his prejudice when Fio saves his life.
He doesn’t sexualize her. She has a celebrity crush on him, but he’s clearly uncomfortable with it both because of her age and because he’s still in love with another woman.
The people who end up sexualizing her are bounty hunters who ambush the pig while she‘s with him in his camp, but she‘s able to use that to save him (again) without getting herself into any serious danger.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
It’s been a while since I saw it, I remember the swimming scene where he’s looking at her but he acts perfectly fine