People will ALWAYS fuck up. The world we craft for ourselves must take the “human factor” into account, otherwise we amplify the consequences of what are predictable outcomes.
So what does it say about us diverting from purely server-side scripted message boards with pure HTML and tables, and not a line of JS? Yes, let’s get back there please. And no phone numbers.
The majority of industries that actually have immediate and potentially fatal consequences do exactly this, and have been for more than a generation now.
Boeing - we know where you’re goeing.
Damn near everything you interact with on a regular basis has been designed at some point in time with human psychology in mind. Built on the shoulders of decades of research and study results, that have matured to the point of becoming “standard practices”.
There’s one industry which kinda started like this, with proper HIG and standard key combinations and proven usability with screenreaders or by people with color blindness, autism, ADHD, whatever.
Then came in people talking with the tone similar to, sorry, yours in the “People will ALWAYS fuck up” part came saying that people want nice, dynamic, usable websites with lots of cool new features, people are social, they want girls with real photos, names and phone numbers on their forums which BTW should be called social nets.
By the way, we already had that with Flash and Java applets, some things of what I remember were still cooler than modern websites of the “web application” paradigm are now. And we had personal webpages with real names and contacts and photos. And there were tools allowing to make them easily.
These people just hated the existing culture with its individualism and depth, the web applications should be able to own you and not be just another kind of embedded content, the personal webpages should be all the same, and of course normies wouldn’t want to come as guests into the nerdspace - no, they had those new social nets as their space, looking down on those nerds and freaks of my kind.
Now - well, try using today’s web as a person impaired in any way.
And those normies can’t really use it too, and too feel impaired, they just won’t admit it.
oce@jlai.lu 4 days ago
Ok, people will always fuck up, so what do you do?
All the organizations (including public) getting ransomware and data stolen, it’s because the consequences are not that bad? It is not gross negligence?
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m not sure if this is just a rhetorical question or a real one?
Because I didn’t claim it isn’t negligence. It is negligent, however, it is not a problem solvable by just pointing fingers. It’s a problem that solvable through more strict regulation and compliance.
Cyber security is almost exactly the same as safety in other industries. It takes the same mindset, it manifests in the same ways under the same conditions, it tends to only be resolved and enforced through regulations…etc
And we all know that safety is not something solvable by pointing fingers, and saying “Well Joe Smo shouldn’t have had his hand in there then”. You develop processes to avoid predictable outcomes.
That’s the key word here, predictable outcomes, these are predictable situations with predictable consequences.
These are abstract problems that affect “someone else”. This is the standard state of mind that most development teams and companies have when it comes to security.
By default everything you produce is going to be insecure and less you have professionals there to get in your way and ensure you are meeting compliance.
By default most companies and especially startups are going to write insecure software. Because the consequences don’t really matter at this point, all that matters is shipping the product and getting it to market for growth opportunity. And gambling on the BET that there won’t be any security breaches.
oce@jlai.lu 2 days ago
I’m not blaming the single person who did a mistake, I’m blaming the negligence of the companies that cut corners for profit, so most of them.
Your first comment read as if organizations were this happens couldn’t have bad consequences. Your new comment explains what you meant better, and I agree.