@Jupiter Rowland Good to know. Maybe it's ass software, but if it isn't malicious I don't see the reason for tearing into it?
Comment on @ Hubzilla Support Forum What's wrong with it?
@Ferret Bonfire is Hubzilla ordered from wish.com.
The only ones who are utterly impressed about Bonfire are those who don't know Hubzilla.
Those who have been daily-driving Hubzilla since the 2010s can only laugh about how pathetic Bonfire really is.
Bonfire promises a lot. But most of what Bonfire promises is only a promise and has yet to be implemented. Most of what is implemented appears to be barely functional.
At the same time, just about all of it is readily available as rock-solid stable features on Hubzilla. Right. Now. It usually has been since Hubzilla was launched, ten months before Mastodon was launched. Even Mistpark had some of it as early as May, 2010.
But Bonfire's propaganda claims that Bonfire is a pioneering software that's the first to invent all of this from scratch and the first to bring any of this into the Fediverse. And thousands of Mastodon users believe them because they don't know any better.
@Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂ has actually tried Bonfire. I guess he can tell you a lot about his first-hand experiences. Or lack thereof.
The only ones who are utterly impressed about Bonfire are those who don't know Hubzilla.
Those who have been daily-driving Hubzilla since the 2010s can only laugh about how pathetic Bonfire really is.
Bonfire promises a lot. But most of what Bonfire promises is only a promise and has yet to be implemented. Most of what is implemented appears to be barely functional.
At the same time, just about all of it is readily available as rock-solid stable features on Hubzilla. Right. Now. It usually has been since Hubzilla was launched, ten months before Mastodon was launched. Even Mistpark had some of it as early as May, 2010.
But Bonfire's propaganda claims that Bonfire is a pioneering software that's the first to invent all of this from scratch and the first to bring any of this into the Fediverse. And thousands of Mastodon users believe them because they don't know any better.
@Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂ has actually tried Bonfire. I guess he can tell you a lot about his first-hand experiences. Or lack thereof.
ferret@hub.workersofthe.world 5 days ago
pepecyb@hub.hubzilla.hu@hub.hubzilla.hu 5 days ago
@FerretGood to know. Maybe it's ass software, but if it isn't malicious I don't see the reason for tearing into it?
I’m not trying to slag this off at all; rather, I want to point out that all the features which Bonfire presents as new and of their own invention have actually been available for well over ten years in a very well-developed piece of software. Potential users should be aware of this and perhaps take a look at Hubzilla from this perspective, rather than waiting for a piece of software that promises a lot but is still a long way from being truly useful.- @Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂ Yeah, that's absolutely fair. And good to know cuz tbh I did look at the page and thought, "Wow, this looks neat" Red flags to me in the form of comparison charts (weird thing to have for a free and open source project) so I was wondering if it was more malicious.
- @Der Pepe (Hubzilla) ⁂ It reminds me of those Mastodon users who have been wishing for "the Fediverse" to finally introduce certain very desirable features since 2022. And these features have been available in the Fediverse since 2015 or 2012 or 2010.
On the other hand, thousands upon thousands of Mastodon users would have rioted, had they known that the Fediverse has had quote-posts since 2010.
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