Comment on OpenAI strikes Reddit deal to train its AI on your posts

• FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  "Model collapse" can be easily avoided by keeping old human data with new synthetic data in the training set. The old archives of Reddit content from before there was AI are still around.

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  • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A model trained on jokes about bacon, narwhals, and rage comics.

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    • FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      By "old archives" I mean everything from 2022 and earlier.

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      • BakerBagel@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But there were still bots making shit up back then. r/SubredditSimulator was pretty popular for awhile, and repost and astroturfing bots were a problem form decades on Reddit.

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      • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I SAID RAGE COMICS

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  • mint_tamas@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That paper is yet to be peer reviewed or released. I think you are jumping into conclusion with that statement. How much can you dilute the data until it breaks again?

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That paper is yet to be peer reviewed or released.

      Never doing either (release as in submit to journal) isn’t uncommon in maths, physics, and CS. Not to say that it won’t be released but it’s not a proper standard to measure papers by.

      I think you are jumping into conclusion with that statement. How much can you dilute the data until it breaks again?

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      If each linear model is instead fit to the generate targets of all the preceding linear models i.e. data accumulate, then the test squared error has a finite upper bound, independent of the number of iterations. This suggests that data accumulation might be a robust solution for mitigating model collapse.

      Emphasis on “finite upper bound, independent of the number of iterations” by doing nothing more than keeping the non-synthetic data around each time you ingest new synthetic data. This is an empirical study so of course it’s not proof you’ll have to wait for theorists to have their turn for that one, but it’s darn convincing and should henceforth be the null hypothesis.

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      • mint_tamas@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Peer review, for all its flaws is a good minimum before a paper is worth taking seriously.

        In your original comment you said tha model collapse can be easily avoided with this technique, which is notably different from it being mitigated. I’m not saying that these findings are not useful, just that you are overselling them a bit with this wording.

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• noodlejetski@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I prefer “Habsburg AI”.

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