Comment on xkcd #2929: Good and Bad Ideas

• eksb@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Diverging diamonds are great if your only consideration is car throughput.

  If you are considering people walking or riding bicycles, they are shit.

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  • Oinks@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It doesn’t help that US diverging diamonds seem to insist on having pedestrians walk through the median.

    But honestly all interchanges are varying degrees of horrible and if you want your city to be bearable to navigate as a pedestrian/cyclist you just really don’t want to do urban highways, or roads above a certain size in general.

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  • Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I hadn’t considered that. I was still pretty car-brained when i watched the cgp grey video on them, but now that you mention it, i definitely agree

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    • eksb@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is expensive to address because you have to separate cyclists out to the right before the right car lane splits for right turns before the crossover. And then you have to build a bridge or tunnel for cyclists and pedestrians. On each side.

      Really, any road busy enough to justify a diverging diamond probably already needed separated bike lanes. But in America (motto: “If you aren’t in a car, you don’t matter”), there almost certainly was not any cycling infrastructure there before.

      There is one of these near me. Their solution for pedestrians is to make them cross the high speed outer lanes where drivers are encouraged to not slow down FOUR times. Their solution for cyclists is take the lane and pray or get off and do what the pedestrians have to do.

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      • Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        where drivers are encouraged to not slow down FOUR times

        Wtf, thats insane

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• Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Significantly safer to navigate in practice than traditional intersections, and very straightforward to navigate in practice.

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  • waz@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Never heard of or seen that, but it makes me think of the ‘magic roundabout’ concept

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• stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  Having to stop for a stoplight twice just to go straight? No thx.

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  • Badabinski@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There are many of these where I live. The lights are usually timed so that you just go straight through without having to stop. They're much better than the traditional intersections that came before.

    I will absolutely concede that they're shitty for pedestrians or cyclists, however.

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    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The ones I’ve used time the pedestrian lights with the traffic, so it’s safer for them. Still tricky for peds going across turn lanes.

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  • Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They’re usually built over a motorway where there was already two stoplights just to go straight, so …

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