Comment on Ukraine updates: Russia orders nuclear preparation drills
maynarkh@feddit.nl 4 months agoNATO is the military wing of the global seat of capital.
Even if it were so, Russia provides it a raison d’être. NATO would not be existing in 10 years if Russia hadn’t been starting wars of aggression, or was not outspokenly adopting a policy of aggression. There is no NATO without a hostile Russia. If NATO is a problem, then Russia is a fundamental part of that problem.
As a general rule I recommend not minimizing Nazis. “Some” is minimizing. There was a period where you couldn’t find a picture of “brave UA soldiers” without a wolfsangel or swastika or sonnenrad, nor a UA politician not shaking hands with them. The head of the MoD said and says Nazi shit all the time and the entire country has been rehabilitating Bandyera as a national hero, putting the committers of pogroms on street signs.
Yeah, so shooting those people and kidnapping their children will provide a great way for them to build a better social consciousness and not double down on chauvinism. The shit Russia is doing to them provides a great environment for a Nazi resurgence. It has to be certainly really helpful to all the good people in Ukraine to argue for less Nazi shit, because there obviously isn’t a clearly definable enemy trying to destroy their national identity and ethnically cleanse them.
Do you know why Russia invaded Ukraine? You seem to think it had no cause
There is no justification for levelling cities and kidnapping children. None.
So much hypothetical and make-believe nonsense.
You are arguing against yourself here. You said that if UA killed Putin and sieged Moscow, then you said “that would 500% result in the use of nuclear weapons”. I’m saying that then if UA did what the Russians did to it, made a proportionate response, then Russia would escalate the war. Shooting people who are coming and already shooting at you is not escalation. Threatening to nuke people if they don’t die is.
Do you see how you had to massage your language to be more passive and therefore avoid the obvious? France entering a war by sending troops is an obvious escalation and per NATO’s own logic is basically dangling a nuclear conflict over everyone’s heads via Article 5.
Please read Article 5. It doesn’t say what you think it says.
Not while pretending it’s anything other than a belligerent and escalatory organization.
Yes, NATO’s goal is that if Russia decides to attack one member, they have to fight all members. And it works in preventing war, how many neighbours has Russia been at war with who weren’t in NATO? How many NATO countries did it attack?
My conclusion is that you have an unrealistic idea of what the possible outcomes here are.
Yes, defending your country from people who burn your cities and steal your children has no point, we should all bow down to Putin. Is that what you’re saying? Apologists for the Russian genocide have been saying this for years now, yet it somehow hadn’t come to pass. I think you are just in a spiral of wishful thinking.
Sounds like your answer to their question is yes: you cheer the Saudi invasion of Bahrain and NATO’s support for it. Truly monstrous.
No. Please go and work on your basic reading comprehension.
NATO countries have decided to sacrifice the Ukrainian people for this project and they keep hoping it will exhaust Russia.
Yeah, Ukraine has no agency. If you are not just repeating Russian propaganda here, you could try harder to think for yourself.
UA will not recover for generations unless Russia takes the whole thing and pumps it full of resources
Like it has always done with its colonies. I grew up in one of them, I know how that looks like. Incompetence, theft and agitation. That’s all Russian-style leadership is capable of.
So yeah, the US may not be the best led country, and it has indeed committed gross crimes against humanity, and an alliance with them may indeed be a deal with the devil. But you can’t ally with Russia, you can only submit to them. The US may swindle you out of your money, but Russia will rape your women and kidnap your children, and by the way, also rob you of your money as well. And Russia is trying its hardest to make sure there is no other way.
I think you just don’t understand what Russia did and is still doing to Eastern Europe, and you are sitting in a cushy chair ideologizing and damning people for ideological impurity, when if you were in their place, you would have to live with a daily fear of being robbed of your dignity, your freedom, and your life, even just for the crime of showing pronouns in your username.
Maoo@hexbear.net 4 months ago
Rather than address the point I made you decided to go on your own Russia Bad tangent.
It seems that you don’t really care that you’re being dishonest. You sure didn’t reply to where I previously pointed out bad faith behavior. That’s something else you share with fascists.
Aside from being stupid and wrong it’s also boring so I’ll probably ignore you pretty soon.
More deflection lol. You just said “yeah”, implying you know you were wrong to minimize UA’s Nazis in high places, but then decided to change the subject rather than honestly accept the fault.
PS if you haven’t noticed I’m ignoring everythy you say after catching an example of bad faith. So far that’s the first sentence in each response!
You didn’t answer my question. I believe in you! Use that big brain to think about what I’m asking!
You think me calling your little stories fantastical nonsense is arguing against myself? It’s starting to look like you have a grab-bag of meningless quips rather than thoughts.
No I didn’t lol. I assume you didn’t read the usernames very carefully and are just very confused about everything all the time.
Feel free to share your thoughts about how I’m wrong. This is how people usually share their knowledge and disagreements - if they actually understand something.
Deflection to avoid the point. Again.
Deflection to avoid the point. Again.
No. Please go and work on your basic reading comprehension.
Hey you’re the one who, rather than directly answering the question (you seem to have trouble giving straight answers), instead started justifying it. You’ve gotta be more clear in your meanings if you implied the polar opposite of your actual view.
So, what is the direct, straight answer to the original question about the Saudis invading Bahrain?
You mentioned earlier that this is a proxy war. Do you know what proxies are? lol.
Your incoherence aside, to the extent that agency means anything when applied to states, UA has quite limited agency, yes. As a state, it was couped about a decade ago and was then plunged into civil war. Its elections are arguably illegitimate because a large minority of the country, the one targeted for ethnic cleansing, hasn’t voted in national elections in a decade. It has already sold off much of its assets and bows to the whims of other states acting against its best interests. Its paramilitaries, now part of the official armed forces, have substantial autonomy and routinely ignore orders. It was easily invaded and would be easily overrun if Russia used NATO methods, i.e. did not treat civilians as humans.
Though I should point out that “agency” is something that people have. Individuals. States don’t work that way. They’re controlled by social interests, political interests. I’ve helped you out by assuming what you really mean is sovereignty.
Anyways, yes, NATO countries made the decisions I mentioned. Are you unfamiliar with the early peace talks? Sounds like it. More pretending.
Where and when did you grow up?
The relationship between the US and UA is not an alliance. It’s far more predatory than that and I’ve given you examples. You ignored them.
If you count the USSR, which you seem to conflate with Russia, then it was literally allied with the US during WWII lol. Possibly the most famous alliance in popular knowledge.
Hey look, a racist Nazi mythology! You sure do repeat a lot of those.
Oh?
The people I’ve damned are Nazis and war criminals.
Ahahahaha what are you talking about?