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bouncing@partizle.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

At least part of it is that JavaScript is not really a batteries included language like Python or Java to even PHP.

You can’t really do anything productive without relying on a third party library.

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elbarto777@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This is not universally true. You totally can, especially today.

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Most of those are server-side languages and I’d disagree with the assessment. For web services Java needs some kind of server like Jetty, Undertow, or Tomcat. For testing you need JUnit or NGTest. And for common, everyday utilities you need something like Apache Commons or Guava. These things don’t “ship” with Java (and there’s actually a fair amount of runtimes now, it’s not only Oracle).

The thing that seems to benefit Java over Node is major corporate support (Oracle, RedHat, IBM) so for better or worse you can usually rely on a handful of essential tools being updated regularly.

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- bouncing@partizle.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I wouldn’t say you need no dependencies in a Java project, but by all means check the average number of dependencies you get with Java or Python and compare it to almost any Node project.
  
  You could probably sample projects on GitHub, look at the dependency graph, and compare.
  
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lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
All the languages you mentioned have some core APIs included and need to rely on third party libraries for more.

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- bouncing@partizle.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yes, that’s true, but JavaScript has very few core APIs aside from basic DOM manipulation. Even things like comparing timezones requires a third party dependency, for example.
  
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