Comment on Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths

• gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tesla’s self driving appears to be less safe and causes more accidents than their competitors.

  “NHTSA’s Office of Defects Investigation said in documents released Friday that it completed “an extensive body of work” which turned up evidence that “Tesla’s weak driver engagement system was not appropriate for Autopilot’s permissive operating capabilities.”

  Tesla bad.

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  • TypicalHog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can you link me the data that says Tesla’s competitors self-driving is more safe and causes less accidents and WHICH ONES? I would really like to know who else has this level of self-driving while also having less accidents.

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    • gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The data doesn’t exist, no other company has a level of “autonomy” that will let your car plow through shit without you paying attention.

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      • TypicalHog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Therefore you can’t compare!

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  • nxdefiant@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No one else has the same capability in as wide a geographic range. Waymo, Cruise, Blue Cruise, Mercedes, etc are all geolocked to certain areas or certain stretches of road.

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    • GiveMemes@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok? Nobody else is being as wildly irresponsible, therefore tesla should be… rewarded?

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      • nxdefiant@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m saying larger sample size == larger numbers.

        Tesla announced 300 million miles on FSD v12 in just the last month.

        notateslaapp.com/…/tesla-on-fsd-close-to-license-…

        Geographically, that’s all over the U.S, not just in hyper specific metro areas or stretches of road.

        The sample size is orders of magnitude bigger than everyone else, by almost every metric.

        If you include the most basic autopilot, Tesla surpassed 1 billion miles in 2018.

        These are not opinions, just facts. Take them into account when you decide to interpret the opinion of others.

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  • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t quite understand what they mean by this. It tracks drivers with a camera and the steering wheel sensor and literally turns itself off if you stop paying attention. What more can they do?

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    • nxdefiant@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The NHSTA hasn’t issued rules for these things either.

      the U.S. gov has issued general guidelines for the technology as a while here:

      www.transportation.gov/av/4

      They have an article on it discussing levels of automation here:

      www.nhtsa.gov/…/automated-vehicles-safety

      By all definitions layed out in that article:

      BlueCruise, Super Cruise, Mercedes’ thing is a geolocked lvl3 system

      Tesla’s FSD is a lvl 3 system

      Waymo and Cruise are a lvl 4 system,

      Lvl 5 systems don’t exist.

      What we don’t have is any kind of federal laws:

      www.ncsl.org/transportation/autonomous-vehicles

      Separated into two sections – voluntary guidance and technical assistance to states – the new guidance focuses on SAE international levels of automation 3-5, clarifies that entities do not need to wait to test or deploy their ADS, revises design elements from the safety self-assessment, aligns federal guidance with the latest developments and terminology, and clarifies the role of federal and state governments. **The guidance reinforces the voluntary nature of the guidelines and does not come with a compliance requirement or enforcement mechanism. **

      The U.S. has operated on a “states are laboratories for laws” principal since its founding. The current situation is in line with that principle.

      These are not my opinions, these are all facts.

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• iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So your stance is literally “human lives are a worthy sacrifice for this endeavor”

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  • PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The argument is that self driving car fatalities have to be compared against human driven car fatalities. If the self driving cars kill 500 people a year, but humans kill 1000 people a year, which one is better. Logic clearly isn’t your strong suit, maybe sit this one out…

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  • MenigPyle@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Username checks out.

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  • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They’re saying if this endeavor is overall saving lives then leave it alone…

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  • TypicalHog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I SAID: “IT ONLY MATTERS IF AUTOPILOT CAUSES MORE NET DEATHS PER MILE TRAVELED RATHER THAN LESS, WHEN COMPARED TO HUMAN DRIVERS!”

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• doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not logical, it’s ideological. It’s the ideology that allows corporations to run a dangerous experiment on the public without their consent.

  And where’s the LIDAR again?

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• Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But… Panel gaps!

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• mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Knock knock

  “Who is it?”

  “Goons”

  “Hired Goons”

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• TypicalHog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Let them, people are dumb!

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