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socialism has always been anti capitalism. socialism is based on principles like international revolution and a highly configured economic structures whereas capitalism is extraction of capital which western countries have been doing in china as much as china will allow but this isn’t what i am arguing.

something to keep in mind is that we don’t buy tiktok, similarly to meta and alphabet (google).

brief easy to read history of cold war activity.

Cuba and North Korea (the forgotten war) are both good to look in to. i hope the history can bring context to my previous statement as geopolitics is never as it seems.

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RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
While I appreciate the additional info, that really doesn’t add to the conversation about what the tipping point is for the parent comment.

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- squid_slime@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  i am not talking about a tipping point, i was focused on the geopolitics in my original comment.
  
  Anti communist? With everything else we buy from China would you argue America to be pro communist?
  
  this is the tipping point to be anti-communist? maybe but i’ll be honest, i dont know what you mean by this, the fight against communism has been a steady state of proxy wars, embargoes, surveillance and propaganda campaigns, so i would definitely say banning tiktok sits within embargo and propaganda.
  
  How about all the US social media platforms that China won’t let in? yea socialism is apposed/untrusting of capitalist products, usually seen as exploitive by the communist this is due in part to the never ending revolution.
  
  Is that “anti-capitalist?” 100%
  
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  - RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I didn’t argue that we are pro-communist.
    
    The point of my observation was that the premise of the TikTok sale is “anti-communist” and that it’s being brought up at all against the background of all the existing, deep economic ties between the US and China. IOW the US putting its foot down on TikTok is anti-communist, but accepting everything else gets a pass?
    
    Funny that you point out the mistrust of (in this context of social media) western products as being exploitative when the Chinese exploitation of data and use of algorithms to manipulate what we see on TikTok is exactly one of the reasons the US wants the sale.
    
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    squid_slime@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    you make a good point that Tiktok is doing some shady stuff but meta were court covertly collecting data from Snapchat through unknowing users devices.
    
    Facebook whistleblowers testimony where she speaks of fb knowing the harm the platform does, and knows that fb targets minors even though Facebook has a minimum age 13.
    
    should Facebook be banned or at least forced to sell? this is why the fiasco is coming across as anti-communist, an extension of cold war hostilities.
    
    IOW the US putting its foot down on TikTok is anti-communist, but accepting everything else gets a pass
    
    Tiktok offers no financial incentive to America unlike Chinese exports, apple are not about to pay a reasonable amount to create an iPhone in America, china is in a pretty good position with its fabrication and engineering, consumer products or even solar panels are far superior to what America can make on a similar budget.
    
    Funny that you point out the mistrust of (in this context of social media) western products as being exploitative when the Chinese exploitation of data and use of algorithms to manipulate what we see on TikTok is exactly one of the reasons the US wants the sale.
    
    this is because you view things through a capitalist scope, i am guilty of this too. Facebook as linked in the above article does the same.
    
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