Comment on Is it legal to be out in public in just underwear?

• Cstrrider@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So is it illegal to be in Washington to intentially arouse others fully clothed?

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• krayj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You are mistaken. City ordinances absolutely comes into play here. In the US, you are subject to federal law, any additional state laws, any additional county laws, and then any additional city municipal-codes/ordinances.

  Here’s the Seattle city ordinance that applies:

  Seattle Municipal Code, Chapter 12A.10.130, Paragraph A.

  A person is guilty of indecent exposure if he or she intentionally makes any open and obscene exposure of his or her person or the person of another knowing that such conduct is likely to cause reasonable affront or alarm.

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  clerk.seattle.gov/search/ordinances/124301#:~:tex….

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  • ultranaut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My understanding is that Seattle previously had a broad law against public nudity which was challenged in state court, the municipal code you cited was created to bring Seattle into explicit compliance with the state constitution after losing in court. I’m not a lawyer but that’s at least how it was explained to me, there’s nothing special about public nudity laws in Seattle relative to the rest of Washington because the courts have already clarified the situation and the same rules apply everywhere through the state. I did some quick googling and it looks like this is roughly accurate. The court case was funnily enough, Seattle vs. Johnson.

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    • krayj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This doesn’t invalidate my earlier statement that citizens are still subject to city ordinances.

      There are around 20,000 cities and municipalities in the United States, most of them have public-nudity/indecent-exposure laws.

      You successfully made the point that the legality of city ordinances can be challenged in higher courts (and even sometimes overturned) but the reality is that most people have neither the funding nor the time nor the expertise to take that up…which means ultimately you’re still subject to a city/municipality ordinances as well as state and federal.

      In 2017, Tagami v City of Chicago, the US Court of appeals for 7th Circuit ruled 2-1 that the city’s public nudity ordinance did not violate the complainant’s rights and upheld the lower court decisions (which meant that City of Chicago’s ordinance remained intact and validated as enforceable by the city).

      At the end of the day, yes you do have to be cognizant of the ordinances/codes of the city in question and cannot rely on State/Federal law alone.

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      • ultranaut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think you may have misunderstood me, I was just making the point that there’s nothing special about Seattle public nudity laws and that the same rules technically apply throughout the entire state of Washington. I’m not trying to invalidate any statements or make any points about what laws people have to follow or how the US legal system works or anything like that. Someone said Seattle had special rules about public nudity, I was just clarifying that those same rules apply throughout the state and nothing else.

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