Comment on Over 1,600 Scientists and Professionals Sign ‘No Climate Emergency’ Declaration

• aleph@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have already have enough interactions with this particular individual enough to know that they’re much less interested in having an actual discussion than they are with sealioning and moving the goalposts once their terrible takes have been proven wrong.

  P.S. you might want to raise the standard of your moderating if you want people to take your community seriously.

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  • fartington@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ‘Shut your fucking mouth dipshit!’

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  • airrow@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    actually this is a misunderstanding, I am mostly trying to (unintentionally) act as an intermediary between left and right in a way as I have heard both sides of arguments but frequently there’s no real conversation about each side; these kinds of articles are posted frequently on other sites where everyone is in agreement about them, but lemmy seems to have a slant of views in the opposite direction, hence discussion ensues (if people want to try to sort things out);

    yet when some arguments are mutually exclusive then both sides cannot be correct, and so it would be good to try to work through disagreements to come to agreement ideally. or there is just posting of what is “normal” to the opposite side of lemmy apparently (maybe some people are unaware that this is considered “normal”?). The OP article is basically agreed on without question by tons of people who think “global warming is a scam”.

    For example:

    Only about one-third of Americans think climate scientists understand very well whether climate change is happening, according to a new Pew Research Center survey. And only about a quarter or less say climate scientists understand very well the effect climate change has on extreme weather, its causes and the best ways to address it.

    pewresearch.org/…/americans-continue-to-have-doub…

    There is growing skepticism about there being (manmade) climate change. !alice@hilariouschaos.com

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    • aleph@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Analysis of recent scientific publications finds widespread agreement among climate scientists that human activity is the primary cause of climate change.

      As it very clearly states in the article you linked, there reason why some skepticism still exists is political, not scientific.

      Conservatives are much more likely be skeptical of climate change because media outlets like FOX news and Republican politicians give credence to their natural bias that everything is fine and there is no pressing need to adjust their lifestyles or personal convictions regarding the environment.

      The problem with trying to “both sides” everything is that there aren’t always two reasonable and equitable positions to take Quite often, one side is just plain wrong.

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      • airrow@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        basically the other side would say the same as you just reversed like a mad lib:

        the reason why climate skepticism still exists at all is political

        Yes, that’s exactly what the other side says: the reason “climate change alarmism” still exists is all political, not scientific. Since numerous predictions have been made and were incorrect: nypost.com/…/50-years-of-predictions-that-the-cli…

        Liberals are much more likely to be skeptical of “climate realism” (let’s call the conservative position) because media outlets like CNN and MSNBC and liberal politicians cater to their natural tendency towards concern / precaution towards new development and the desire to make sacrifices for “the cause”.

        Following the example of Big Pharma, the green tech industry has spent billions of dollars on groups / individuals who would produce favorable research for them in to artifically manufacture public support for the theory of manmade climate change; “climate alarmism” is virtually an industry unto itself - www.insurancejournal.com/news/…/377086.htm

        The problem with trying to “both sides” everything is that there aren’t always two reasonable and equitable positions to take. Quite often, one side is just plain wrong.

        So, the question is how to sort out which side is in the right. I think a centrist take is that fossil fuels do pollute, but it’s a trade off many people are willing to make for faster technological progress. Once green tech is good enough, people could just transition to that; green tech is not at present efficient enough to overtake fossil fuel usage. Do you think this is the big thing holding green tech back? You might say it’s just lobbying… I understand that position, however the oil companies are also investing in green tech. I’ve looked in to consumer green tech solutions and… it seemed pretty unclear what a person should do if they wanted to be totally green (like, you might be able to buy costly things but it wasn’t clear if it would scale or be worth it). Like massive deindustrialization… is this the proposed solution of the left? The problem is also countries like China that don’t play by the rules, so I guess it can also be like a “prisoner’s dilemma”, or a game theory problem? What I mean to say is the U.S. could be greener and deindustrialize more and other countries like Russia and China could embrace the fossil fuels and get an edge and get ahead… I suppose that’s probably factored in as a component in considering if it’s worth taking the trade-off of green tech or not (geopolitical concerns).

        I mean anyway personally I like green tech that gives me more personal freedom, so while I don’t really embrace it because I am concerned with “climate change” I am in to it for those reasons; I often find self-interest and what’s good for the environment ultimately overlap. Composting is basically making use of free resources that would otherwise be wasted, and so on.

        Any thoughts on burning wood, which is renewable but also pollutes?

        Any idea how to make progress on the discussion further?

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  • Alice@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As for u Mr private eye. You are no one of intellectual importance or have certified credentials in any political field.

    So you can kindly shut the fuck up, and take your opinion and shove it up your ass

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• fartington@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hahaha this is a moderator

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  • Alice@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And ?

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    • fartington@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You are literally crying and deleting comments because people laugh at your news sources. So soft lol

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      • Alice@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Because CNN and whatever other else leftist circle jerk bullshit you deep throat on, is the correct news right ?

        Listen up fuck face, I’m deleting comments because your retarded assess are saying stupid ass shit, instead of debating OP.

        My news source? You’re a fucking idiot. How the fuck is a post from anothe fuckin person stating that it is my go to news?

        Goddamn youre stupid. This community is for anyone who wants to join to post uh idk, news and current events?

        Even your dumbass. You’re allowed to post whatever leftist garbage you belive like a blind fool (which all of you are) and it won’t be taken down

        Because we don’t control the fucking narrative like you guys always do.

        Knock it off. Get the fuck out of this community if you’re just going to be a complete fucking jackass and have nothing constructive to add.

        I’m sick of y’alls attitude

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