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affiliate@lemmy.world 5 months ago
from a formal perspective, division is an “”abbreviation”” for multiplying by a reciprocal. for example, you first define what 1/3 is, and then 2/3 is shorthand for 2 * (1/3). so in this sense, multiplication and division are extremely similar.
same thing goes for subtraction, but now the analogy is even stronger since you can subtract any two numbers (whereas you “can’t” divide by 0). so x - y is shorthand for x + (-y). and -y is defined “to be the number such that y + (-y) = 0”.
Wandering_Uncertainty@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The way I think of it, there is no subtraction, and there is no division. Or square roots.
There is the singular layer of operations (the adding/subtracting layer which I think of as counting, multiplying/dividing layer which I think of as grouping, etc).
Everything within that layer is fundamentally the same thing. But we just have multiple ways of saying it.
Partly because teaching kids negative numbers is harder than subtraction, and thinking of fractions is hard enough without thinking of it as a representative process of relationships via multiplication.
Again, just how my brain does things. I’m not a mathematician or anything, but I’m pretty decent at regular math.
affiliate@lemmy.world 5 months ago
i think this a really nice way of thinking of things, especially for regular everyday life.
as a mathematician though, i wanted to mention how utterly and terribly cursed square roots are. (mainly just to share some of the horrors that lurk beneath the surface.) they’ve been a problem for quite some time. even in ancient greece, people were running into trouble with √2. it was only fairly recently (around the 17th century) that they started looking at complex numbers in order to get a handle on √-1. square roots led to the invention of two different “extensions” of the standard number systems: the real numbers (e.g. for √2), and later, the complex numbers (e.g. for √-1).
at the heart of it, the problem is that there’s a fairly straightforward way to define exponentiation by whole numbers: 3^n^ just means multiply 3 by itself a bunch of times. but square roots want us to exponentiate things by a fraction, and its not really clear what 3^1/2^ is supposed to mean. it ends up being that 3^1/2^ is just defined as 3^1/2^ = x, where x is "“the number that satisfies x^2^ = 3"”. and so we’re in this weird situation where exponentiating by a fraction is somehow defined differently than exponentiating by a whole number.
but this is similar to how multiplication is defined: when you multiply something by a whole number, you just add a number to itself a bunch of times; but if you want to multiply by a fraction, then you have to get a bit creative. and in a very real sense, multiplication “is the exponentiation of addition”.