Comment on Big Tech passkey implementations are a trap | Proton
dinckelman@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The way Apple or companies like Paypal implement two-factor authentication, let alone passkeys, drive me up the wall. This all could have been so much better.
I’m not even going to mention all the platforms that rolled out passkey creation support, but not passkey login support, for whichever damn reason
PayPal for sure, because at one point they actually removed the ability to use a hardware mfa token.
A little known fact about iCloud is that you can use hardware MFA tokens. I think this feature was just recently released though. They force you to enroll at leas two tokens too, which is a nice safety. I set this up about a month ago and it’s been great.
plz1@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah, Apple 2FA is infuriating, especially since you can do all factors from the same device. Kind of defeats the purpose of traditional 2FA/MFA. Also, companies that decide you 2FA experience has to use their app, instead of a standards-compliant TOTP app of your choosing…ugh.
WolfLink@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Traditional 2FA (assuming you mean apps with codes) can be done from the same device (if you have the app with the codes installed on that device).
It doesn’t defeat the purpose of 2FA. The 2 factors are 1. The password and 2. You are in possession of a device with the 2FA codes. The website doesn’t know about the device until you enter the code.
plz1@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah my point is it does not protect the local device well. It does protect well from remote compromise though.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If you think forcing everyone to carry an object other than their phone around so they can use 2factor with it when they already have their phone so they can use it for 2factor with other things you are delusional. Or if you said I need to go to my laptop when I’m logging in on my phone and vise versa… that’s nonsense too.
Authy on my phone is just as “dumb” as Keychain on my phone.
How else are you imagining this should work that you could get normal people to do?
sudneo@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I bring my yubikey with me, it’s in my keychain. This is not only more secure against phone theft/access, which probably is not very relevant for most people, but it spreads the risk of locking yourself out.
For example, I was in Iceland with my girlfriend and she “lost” her phone. We wanted to locate it, so I logged to Google for her, which asked 2FA. If she used her phone, she would have been toast. Instead I made her use yubikeys too, and she just logged in and found her phone.
Obviously you can lose your hardware tokens too, but it’s generally less likely (you take out your home keys way less than your phone, for example). You can also backup your TOTP on multiple devices etc., of course.
AA5B@lemmy.world 7 months ago
For Apple, it’s your iCloud account that everything depends on, and it’s the weakest point. Not by itself maybe, but in practice there needs to be a way to reset your iCloud password, even without your phone. Currently I believe that’s just an Apple representative asking life questions, but that information is mostly publicly available. There needs to be a better way.
A physical 2fa device may be just what we need to securely rest our iCloud passwords, keeping everything else more secure
plz1@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If I’m on my laptop, and the 2fa code shows on that same laptop, it defeats the purpose of it. The point is sortation of security privileges, ask this just adds more work while providing no less security to the device. It does protect you from remote compromise, though.
9point6@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The factors are:
Here the password is something you know and the device is something you have (typically also protected by something you are, like your fingerprint or face)