Comment on People liked AI art – when they thought it was made by humans

• Mastengwe@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Photography takes skill. Punching a sentence into a computer takes no skill. AI does not create art. It creates pictures.

  Humans create art.

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  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And now humans create art by punching a sentence into a computer. Are the images nice? Can they provoke thoughts and feelings? Then they’re art. Don’t like it? Too bad, AI art is here to stay because of how easy it is. Learn to cope.

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    • knightly@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’ve gotten art and beauty mixed up.

      The natural world can be beautiful, but it isn’t a work of art. Likewise, computer generated imagery can be pretty but it doesn’t express any person’s thoughts or feelings and therefore cannot be art.

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      • voracitude@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’ve gotten the artist and art tool and art mixed up. The artist is the one that makes the art, the art tool is what they use to make it, and the art is the final product.

        it doesn’t express any person’s thoughts or feelings

        You don’t get to make that judgement. If I have an image in my head and I describe it in a prompt, I can look at the output and say if it represents what I’m thinking or feeling at the time. Same as if I picked up a paintbrush; I can reject the output of it doesn’t match what’s in my head and artists frequently do declare their work is “no good” even when it looks fine to others.

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    • Mastengwe@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sorry my opinion upset you. But I’m keeping it.

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      • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s fine, you are perfectly free to believe that an apple is a cucumber. And the rest of the world is perfectly free to disagree and dismiss you.

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      • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Your “opinion” that something isn’t art, is as idiotic as faschists complaining about free speech. You really think who makes art is your judgement to make? At least own your fucking “opinion” instead of pretending it’s not aggressive. A valid non offensive opinion would be: “I don’t care for AI art and it’s cheap to me”. Planet fucking earth moved on from your kind of rhetoric where you get to be both moral judeand then skeeter back to a defensive fetal position when challenged. Grow up.

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  • bhmnscmm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Photography is just pointing a camera and pressing a button. It takes no skill.

    See, it’s easy to be reductive.

    How do you define art? Is it dependent on the amount of “skill” required to create it? What even is artistic skill? Is one allowed to use auto-focus for a photograph to be considered art? Do you have to develop your own film?

    These are all irrelevant thresholds on the inputs for something to be considered art. What determines whether or not something is art is the output of a creative process.

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    • Mastengwe@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ahhh, the whole photography bit.

      Well, let’s see. I’d agree with you if:

      • it didn’t take a human to find a subject or location worthy of shooting, know what angle to shoot from, what time of day to shoot….

      • it didn’t take a human to know how to adjust the lighting and color vibrancy to bring life to the picture.

      • it didn’t take a human to know what camera to use, what zoom level, what aperture….

      There are TONS of legendary photographers taken that a computer would never have been able to do.

      Stop with the photography argument. It’s bad.

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      • bhmnscmm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Everything you just listed can be human inputs to AI generated art. Humans still drive/manipulate the inputs, it’s just in a different way. A human can still come up with an artistic vision or idea and manipulate the tools (prompt) to that end.

        Obviously you can use minimal creativity to get unremarkable AI art, but you can do the same in photography with a point and shoot camera. It’s about the creativity and artistic vision, not the tool.

        I agree, there are tons of photographs a computer can’t generate. Because it’s a different artform. Just as there are tons of paintings a photographer could never create.

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  • Daxtron2@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    StableDiffusion is more than just throwing a prompt in lmao. You clearly have not spent any time learning what it is and decided to hate it based on people putting in minimum effort and posting their raw gens.

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    • Mastengwe@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sorry to upset you, but in my opinion- it’s not art. You can keep being bothered by this, or you can move on.

      I’m allowed to have this opinion

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      • Daxtron2@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t care whether or not you call it art, but calling it 'just throwing some text in a computer’s is just factually incorrect.

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