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what_is_a_name@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

What a croc - never trust anything “left vs right” from the Cato institute. Cato has never seen a problem that capitalist billionaires could not solve and “communism” did not create.

Either way - capitalism does not care to solve climate change because we allowed the capitalists to externalise the costs. If we prices climate damage into the cost of goods - sure capitalism could perhaps be less than evil. But of course capitalism breed oligarchs and oligarchy and thus markets were deformed to benefit the oligarchs (and socialise risks while privatising profits).

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psud@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
You know how you improve capitalism? You add a very large dose of socialism

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- what_is_a_name@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  From 2023 perspective that sides seem like a viable path indeed.
  
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traveler01@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

But of course capitalism breed oligarchs and oligarchy and thus markets were deformed to benefit the oligarchs (and socialise risks while privatising profits).

In my opinion when you start having oligarchs and this amount of wealth inequality, it’s only a symptom that the state is failing to do what was created to do, at-least in theory.

The state should be only a regulator, more like a referee in the market. Currently everywhere in western democracies the state is failing to do it. We have the lower income people getting taxed to hell, either directly or by proxy while the uber-rich are influencing the state regulation directly.

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- what_is_a_name@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Do not take this as a personal attack but your perspective is naive. All around the world capitalists argue for libertarianism or other forms of state stepping back from regulating oligarchy. It’s a feature of capitalism to aim for oligarchy. At least in practice.
  
  Just like 20th century Soviet/Chinese/Cuban communism did not prevent oligarchs. Neither does the current crop of capitalism. They both - in practice- created easy path to oligarchy.
  
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  - traveler01@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I understand your point, that’s why I consider that the state should be an independent regulator. What’s happening right now is that due to corruption the state is failing to do it so.
    
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    psud@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m changing the user note I added to you from “right wing nut” to “confused socialist”
    
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- psud@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Cato institute capitalism by nature tends toward maximum inequality
  
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  - what_is_a_name@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Exactly. It’s Cato directly that it arguing for unregulated market in an oligarchy. So OP needs to be clear who wrote the source.
    
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