I know i have been defending lemmu devs for a long time and i agree with all this the only gripe i have is nutomic seems to think he have hit it big and doesn’t need to give a fuck about anything and seems to tell anyone with even the slightest criticism to stop using lemmy these past weeks and i can’t simply act like that isn’t wrong. I agree beehawe admins can fuck off and they are entitled assholes but this behavior is making me rethink my stand .
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sunaurus@lemm.ee 2 months agoI think something is being lost in communication here. Nothing is being destroyed.
I keep seeing this disconnect, I think it needs to be emphasized: Lemmy maintainers have been focusing (and continue to focus on) safety and moderation improvements. Anybody can verify this by looking through PRs/commits/RFCs on GitHub.
I think I understand where the disconnect is coming from - there have been a few responses in some of these threads by Lemmy devs where they tell people to be less rude and demanding, and to contribute if they desperately want some feature. Perhaps as an observer, this sounds like “we do not care about mod tools” or whatever, but reality is just different.
Perhaps it would be useful to do a more in-depth post about all the stuff Lemmy devs have worked on and are currently working on? I mean things like:
- When purging a federated user, federate local community removals. (#4505)
- Mods and admins can comment in locked posts (fixes #4116) (#4488)
- When site banning a federated user, also remove their content from our local communities. (#4464)
- Store password reset token after email successfully sent (fixes #3757) (#4489)
- Require verified email to reset password (#4482)
- Correctly synchronize collection of community featured posts (fixes #3867) (#4475)
- Ignore expired bans in CommentReportView::read, just like in CommentReportQuery::list (#4457)
- Auto resolve reports on removing a comment or post. Fixes #4390 (#4402)
- … the list goes on and on and on, these are just a couple of examples
I feel like there is this meme developing in Lemmy that maintainers are putting out a message of not caring about mod tools, which anybody with context will know is completely false, but I think most Lemmy users (and even many admins!) just don’t have this context.
THE_ANTIHERO@lemmy.today 2 months ago
sunaurus@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I am very sad about the situation with Beehaw specifically.
I think it’s a very unfortunate case where all parties have the best intentions of building something great with Lemmy, but through different circumstances, relations have soured and involved people no longer think they have a shared vision (which in my opinion is actually not true - I believe that Beehaws vision fits in very well with the direction Lemmy is going, especially with private communities being planned soon).
I am still hopeful that things can be improved, but we will see.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I’m not sure why Beehaw is coming up specifically in recent day (did something happen that I missed?), but their moderation issues and needs came up as early as June and July of last year, but was definitely being talked about by September between Beehaw admins and users. Here’s the thread I remember on it.
Another thread on one of the major CSAM content attack events against Lemmy (the one that took out vlemmy.net if you’re a Fedilore historian) highlighted their desire for a better platform.
I’m OOTL if anything specific happened between the Lemmy devs and Beehaw admins this week that caused more beef, but the mindset that the development of much needed moderation features was progressing too slowly was with the Beehaw admins for many months now.
Blaze@dormi.zone 2 months ago
(which in my opinion is actually not true - I believe that Beehaws vision fits in very well with the direction Lemmy is going, especially with private communities being planned soon).
Strong agree.
Hopefully there can be some renewed collaboration in the future.
THE_ANTIHERO@lemmy.today 2 months ago
I do agree we should conteibute to lemmy rather than start building our own at a whim which beehaw admins don’t seem to understand or care about as they have’nt put forth a PR or anything . We can always fork lemmy if the devs shat the bed but i think beehaw admins has their own egostatical problem and as i have said my only problem ia nutomic and dessalines ( sometimes ) have turned into snowflakes and can’t accept any constructive criticism and asks others to fuck off i think they have decided they have hit it big to not care about anyone anymore and that irks me like a lot.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I agree. A lot of the friction here is due to miscommunication. That said, if what I said kept being misunderstood, then I would make a priority to improve my communication style.
This shit is hard. If one has ASD like I do, it’s even harder. Personally try to be very exact on what I say, even when speaking casually, and pepper smilies and caveats to try to ensure people don’t take what I say the wrong way.
My perspective is that lemmy found perhaps a very unexpected success, and caught the devs flatfooted. In short, they walk the walk, but can’t talk the talk.