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rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

and Gnome is pretty good at implementing accessibility features, which was one of the main conditions of the grant.

At the same time yes and … they are very unorthodox in their understanding of what makes things more accessible.

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TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Not making their DE yet another Windows clone does not mean it’s inaccessible.

I get it, you clearly have a personal issue with Gnome. Just don’t use it then. There’s no need to be upset about an amazing open source project getting support and improving the accessibility stack for the entire Linux desktop.

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- rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I use FVWM with 2-pixel solid borders and no window titlebars or buttons or panels, except for one FvwmButtons instance with digital clock, all keyboard-controlled.
  
  The issues with Gnome are that it’s resource-heavy and inconsistent in UX, and setting it up is PITA.
  
  Cinnamon as its fork is much better.
  
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  - TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    I use FVWM with 2-pixel solid borders and no window titlebars or buttons or panels, except for one FvwmButtons instance with digital clock, all keyboard-controlled. EDIT: … so I obviously don’t prefer Windows
    
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    The issues with Gnome are that it’s resource-heavy
    
    No it isn’t. Stop making shit up.
    
    inconsistent in UX
    
    Gnome is easily the most consistent DE out there. By far. Honestly, by far and away the most consistent. Even MacOS is less consistent, and that’s saying something.
    
    and setting it up is PITA.
    
    ? Install it and it’s done. I change a couple of keyboard shortcuts too but that’s unnecessary.
    
    Cinnamon as its fork is much better.
    
    So a Windows UX clone. Not everything has to be yet another Windows clone.
    
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    rottingleaf@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    No it isn’t. Stop making shit up.
    
    I’ve even seen benchmarks. In my own experience it’s slow where default KDE5 is fast. I didn’t dig why, because I’m not going to use a full-fledged DE over my cozy FVWM setup anyway.
    
    Also accusing better people than you of lying is impolite.
    
    Gnome is easily the most consistent DE out there. By far. Honestly, by far and away the most consistent. Even MacOS is less consistent, and that’s saying something.
    
    I already guessed that’s your opinion, but OK. “Even”? It’s the same horror as MacOS.
    
    So a Windows UX clone. Not everything has to be yet another Windows clone. What happened to you not preferring Windows UX lol
    
    It can look like Gnome 3 UX clone too, and that’s how it looked when I used it. Just more consistent and usable.
    
    Anyway, there’s such a thing as ergonomics. It’s not really subjective, it can be measured in clicks and keystrokes, with accounting for mistakes and searching for elements of UI. Gnome devs are clearly ignorant of it.
    
    MacOS and Gnome are sometimes worse than even modern Windows in that regard.
    
    BTW, about Windows - w2k and xp were very good in terms of ergonomics.
    
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