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Comment on OpenAI collapses media reality with Sora AI video generator | If trusting video from anonymous sources on social media was a bad idea before, it's an even worse idea now

Dogyote@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

It’s like we’re going back to the pre-internet era but it’s obviously a little different. Before the internet, there were just a few major media providers on TV plus lots of local newspapers. I would say that, for the most part in the USA, the public trusted TV news sources even though their material interests weren’t aligned (regular people vs big media corporations). It felt like there wasn’t a reason not to trust them, since they always told an acceptable version of the truth and there wasn’t an easy way to find a different narrative (no internet or crazy cable news). Local newspapers were usually very trusted, since they were often locally owned and part of the community.

The internet broke all of those business models. Local newspapers died because why do you need a paper when there are news websites? Major media companies were big enough to weather the storm and could buy up struggling competitors. They consolidated and one in particular started aggressively spinning the news to fit a narrative for ratings and political gain of the ownership class. Other companies followed suit.

This, paired with the thousands of available narratives online, weakened the credibility of the major media companies. Anyone could find the other side of the story or fact check whatever was on TV.

Now what is happening? The internet is being polluted with garbage and lies. It hasn’t been good for some time now. Obviously anyone could type up bullshit, but for a minute photos were considered reliable proof (usually). Then photoshopping something became easier and easier, which made videos the new standard of reliable proof (in most cases).

But if anything can be fake now and difficult to identify as fake, then how can you fact check anything? Only those with the means will be able to produce undeniably real news with great difficulty, which I think will return power to major news companies or something equivalent.

I’m probably wrong about what the future holds, so what do you think is going to happen?

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kromem@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t think you’re wrong, I have been thinking the same thing.

Everyone has been worried about “AI misinformation” - but if misinformation becomes so commoditized online that someone convinced the moon landing is fake finds two dozen different AI generated sources agreeing with them but disagreeing with each other (i.e. a video of Orson Wells filming it but also a video of Stanley Kubrick filming it) we may well end up in a world where people just stop paying attention to the bullshit online that has been destroying people’s minds.

Couple this with the advances in AI correctly identifying misinformation and live fact checking it with citations to reputable sources, combined with things like Elon Musk’s ‘uncensored’ Grok turning around and calling his conservative Twitter fans racist and small minded morons, or Gab’s literal Adolf Hitler AI telling a user they were disgusting for asking if Jews were vermin - and we may just end up on a narrow path out of the mess we’ve found ourselves in well before AI was suddenly a thing.

I had been really worried about the AI misinformation angle, but given some recent developments in the past few months I’m actually hopeful about the future of a better informed public for the first time in years.

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- Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Agreed, people are up in arms that misinformation will become easier. But I think the naive idea that the internet is inherently a reliable source of truth mixed with subtler forms of misinformation is much more insidious. Journalism used to be a highly respected field before we all forgot why it was so important.
  
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- le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  People just want to get confirmed in what they already believe, with the amount of fake news people are already getting dumber because they’re not suffering criticism.
  
  If I believe moon landing was fake before I would have hundreds of source telling me I’m wrong and only a few scammy documentaries that would agree with my belief. But now there is fake to confirm any belief I have. Aliens are real, check this video proving it. Zuckerberg is a lizard? There are dozens of photo and video on twitter. And so on.
  
  I’m really not optimistic about that at all.
  
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treadful@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Now what is happening? The internet is being polluted with garbage and lies. It hasn’t been good for some time now.

Social media as content aggregation is generally garbage, but it’s a far stretch to apply that to the Internet or even the Web as a whole. Don’t forget Wikipedia is still a thing and almost every creator of primary source data publishes online.

But if anything can be fake now and difficult to identify as fake, then how can you fact check anything? Only those with the means will be able to produce undeniably real news with great difficulty, which I think will return power to major news companies or something equivalent.

That’s kind of always been true. And I agree, we need to find a way to maintain information sourcing organizations (e.g. news) that we can trust as the arbiters of this information. If Washington Post can actually put credible reporters on the ground to confirm something, and I know I can trust WaPo, I can fairly say with some confidence that it’s good information.

I think we all (or some of us at least) just need to be willing to pay for this service.

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erwan@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Fake photos existed before Photoshop, with scissors and glue

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