Global average income is $9,733 USD per year.
Why would you cite this fact in defense of the current system?
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Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months agoThat sounds like hell, making money is a blast. If everything was truly equal we would all be living in extreme poverty. Global average income is $9,733 USD per year. I make that in a week, hard pass on that commie bullshit.
frezik@midwest.social 11 months ago
Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If everything were equal, we all would be in extreme poverty.
frezik@midwest.social 11 months ago
If everything were equal, gdp wouldn’t be how we measure prosperity.
Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s not gdp. Thats global average yearly individual income.
Apollo@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
You’re an inspiration to all out there who think intelligence is a barrier to making 9k a week.
illi@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The idea behind universal basic income is that hpu get enough money to cover your basic needs - then you can do a job you like to earn more so that you have more than basic needs fulfilled. So you could still earn money if that’s what you so enjoy.
Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yea I’m with that idea. But no one working and just getting paid to exist is a strange concept for me.
illi@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Obviously people will need to be working still, a time when all work is done for us is long way off. Besides, there were studies made on this and most people would still work in some capacity (not all, obviously) - but with you getting money to cover your needs you could quit thenjob you just have for the money and do something you enjoy. Or keep the job you do just for money if lots of money is important to you - but you would be free to take sabatical if you’d start burning out without fear - because you would still have the UBI even if you spent all your money and didn’t save any.
Especially now with raise of AI this is something that will be needed sooner rather than later - question is when, not if. And another question is how will humanity fuck it up - because that’s what wedo best and the theory behind it sounds too good to be true.
shneancy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
let’s see you speak once AI takes a jab at your field
Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No AI is ever going to replace what I do. I salvage aircraft and motorcycles. Zero worry there.
Link@rentadrunk.org 11 months ago
The AI can be added to a robot that can salvage aircraft and motorcycles. It would be far cheaper to employ than a human as well.
Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
lol no. Far far off before a robot could do what we do. The dexterity required to remove a bolt from inside a wing, or even a rusty bolt on a motorcycle, or disassemble an engine is far outside anything a robot can even come close to achieve. And everything is unique. Just not feasible in any way what so ever. Assembly is another story and yes a lot of automation can be achieved there, but that’s because it’s doing the same action over and over and very precise. Disassembly is way different, unique in every case.
SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Do you really cornpop? And what do that consistently makes you over half a million dollars a year in income?
Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I run a fairly large salvage company. I dismantle aircraft and Powersport vehicles (motorcycles, atvs, sxs, anything with a motor really) I do 500-700k a year in revenue.
bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social 11 months ago
what kinda work do u do?
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Going to work so I can eat and pay rent fucking sucks, what are you talking about? The fact that you even conceptualize economic output as being all about money means you’re missing the point of an economy. Money is a representation of wealth, not wealth itself. You can’t eat money, shelter yourself from the elements with money, cure diseases with money, etc. Having access to goods and services is a blast, but money is nothing more than a mechanism to facilitate trade and the distribution of wealth.
The “commie bullshit” is entirely your contribution. I said nothing at all about making everyone’s income equal. Not within a country and certainly not between regions with wildly different costs of living. I’m talking about actual wealth, actual labor, and the way a society decides who deserves to have access to material wealth.
Let me spell it out for you: when a new technology makes a category of work obsolete, it sounds be a good thing because less work needs to be done to produce the same wealth. It’s like how having a washing machine is great because it saves you from doing many hours of tedious labor with essentially no downside. The reason that doesn’t work at a societal level is because our economic system is designed to funnel 100% of the benefits of labor-saving technology to a parasitic ownership class, leaving the average person poorer as a result. Our economic system is based entirely around scarcity, and introducing just a little bit of abundance breaks it and fucks over people whose labor is no longer needed by denying them access to wealth.
Do you really think it’s reasonable that having less work needing to be done to produce the same wealth should ever make the average person less well off?
Cornpop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Some kinda UBI is good, but people still need a purpose. We should still strive to build something and better ourselves.
frezik@midwest.social 11 months ago
You don’t need work for that. You need work to do necessary things for society, which would be far less than the amount of work being done right now.