Comment on A crowd destroyed a driverless Waymo car in San Francisco
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months agoI never said that all cars must be abolished. Go, go back in the discussion and check.
Yes, which brings us back to the point that if any cars are on the road, they should be autonomous, because autonomous cars have the potential to be far safer than humans.
If you’re talking about the US: No, the US didn’t suddenly start to safety engineer, they’re still hostile to pedestrians over there. On the contrary, 20 years ago SUVs which make children invisible didn’t really exist yet. If you’re talking about Europe: We never abolished public transit. We made mistakes weakening it, but we didn’t abolish it, and engineering for pedestrian safety goes back to at least the 60s, and by the 70s at least the Netherlands had found their bearings.
Bruh. Seriously. Are you intentionally being dense? The point is not that safety standards suddenly started 20 years ago, it’s that pursuing increased automotive safety standards was still a worthwhile effort in parallel with building public transit
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
They’re also going to be far less reliable, we’ve been over this, an autonomous fire truck won’t ram something out of the way because it can’t make the call unless we’re talking true scifi. The cars that will be left will be mostly driven by professionals which makes the gains marginal. And anyway I’m not fundamentally opposed to autonomous cars, have them if you want to collect those last 0.0001%.
I already said all that. You’re re-erecting strawmen.
Europe already had public transportation and walkable cities. The US doesn’t. And over here btw noone (serious) is hailing autonomous driving as a revolution or solution to anything, even though Volkswagen (in the form of Audi) were the first one to produce an actual level 3 vehicle. And waymo etc. know that they couldn’t get their purported “level 4” vehicles past regulations so they don’t even try, having seen uber crash+burn over here with its skirting of regulations, unlike in the US they’re actually getting enforced. And exist/are sensible.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Yeah.
Yeah, see above.
gregorum@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Your failure to provide a reliable source for your claims is not my problem.
If you cannot provide a reliable source of your claims, your claim will be dismissed.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Density doesn’t have anything to do with it the US is as if not more dense if you subtract all the void in between places. Even taking the void into account the US has twice the population density of Finland (16.4 vs. 33.6 per km^2^) yet Finland manages to have public transport in its urban areas. Places like the east cost are significantly more dense than practically anywhere in Europe. California has practically the same density as Spain.
And it’s not like the US don’t have an established rail network, either – they just let it rot and operate it in a way that doesn’t make rail a viable alternative to driving or flying. With the same rail policy as Europe there’d be a HSR sleeper train from New York to LA, HSR which also in Europe would have to be constructed, first, all that track from the age of industrialisation doesn’t do high speeds.
How much riots, money, and deaths is the US wiling to bet on autonomous driving to avoid raising intersections when the street gets its periodic make-over, anyway? It’s upkeep in general that costs money, rebuilding them in a sane way while you’re at it costs little more to actually less: Most of their streets are way too wide.