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barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months agoLmfao, so your answer at the end of all this, is “automated cars won’t happen because people don’t like them”??
No. My answer is “automated cars will continue to be opposed by the collective unconscious until urban planning things that are of importance to it are addressed (such as housing, equity, but also plain liability see asphalt deserts), and at that point autonomous cars will not be needed any more”. But that’s a mouthful, I thought you intelligent enough to understand it without being spoon-fed given that you claim to be such an advocate for public transit and modern urban planning, know all of its its advantages.
Autonomous cars will not, just to open another can of worms, re-establish third places in the urban fabric. Do you know what third places are, their function, their importance, and how car-centric design destroyed them?
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Lmfao, ok bud, please point me to the jurisdiction where drivers aren’t killing thousands of people a year.
Yeah, shut up dumbass.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I never said that all cars must be abolished. Go, go back in the discussion and check.
If you’re talking about the US: No, the US didn’t suddenly start to safety engineer, they’re still hostile to pedestrians over there. On the contrary, 20 years ago SUVs which make children invisible didn’t really exist yet. If you’re talking about Europe: We never abolished public transit. We made mistakes weakening it, but we didn’t abolish it, and engineering for pedestrian safety goes back to at least the 60s, and by the 70s at least the Netherlands had found their bearings.
Of course. I mean if you want to rush hour everyone in an individual autonomous taxi during rush hour everyone will need one of those, leased or owned, either way it’s going to be expensive so people understand on an instinctive level that those cars aren’t a solution while wealth inequality persists. As said: Public transport side-steps that issue. We haven’t been able to fix wealth inequality in the last two centuries you won’t do it in the next two decades, or at least we shouldn’t bet urbanism on that happening.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Yes, which brings us back to the point that if any cars are on the road, they should be autonomous, because autonomous cars have the potential to be far safer than humans.
Bruh. Seriously. Are you intentionally being dense? The point is not that safety standards suddenly started 20 years ago, it’s that pursuing increased automotive safety standards was still a worthwhile effort in parallel with building public transit
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
They’re also going to be far less reliable, we’ve been over this, an autonomous fire truck won’t ram something out of the way because it can’t make the call unless we’re talking true scifi. The cars that will be left will be mostly driven by professionals which makes the gains marginal. And anyway I’m not fundamentally opposed to autonomous cars, have them if you want to collect those last 0.0001%.
I already said all that. You’re re-erecting strawmen.
Europe already had public transportation and walkable cities. The US doesn’t. And over here btw noone (serious) is hailing autonomous driving as a revolution or solution to anything, even though Volkswagen (in the form of Audi) were the first one to produce an actual level 3 vehicle. And waymo etc. know that they couldn’t get their purported “level 4” vehicles past regulations so they don’t even try, having seen uber crash+burn over here with its skirting of regulations, unlike in the US they’re actually getting enforced. And exist/are sensible.