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Then why don’t you argue in favour of it?

I do, frequently, but we’re in a thread discussing the merits of autonomous vehicles vs normal car, not the merits of public transit.

Why, among all the gazillion of approaches to reduce traffic deaths, are you focussed specifically, and quite pin-pointedly so, on self-driving?

Because that’s what this fucking thread is about. You want to start a thread on the merits of roundabouts vs cross intersections and you’ll see me arguing for roundabouts.

What makes it so more effective, so more realistic, so more existing, than raised intersections? What makes the rest of the US so fundamentally more backwards than, of all the people, the Mormons?

You clearly have not been to the US if you think the Mormons are the most stubborn and backwards part of it. Go to Florida, go to any Trump supporting county, drive from a city to the various suburbs and country homes and see how spread out they are. Look at how half the US votes. Utah and the Mormons are an exception and odd sect that isn’t remotely representative of America at large, they also mass built housing for the homeless, something that nowhere else in America has done. And guess what? Utah still has a ton of cars.

And you know what makes self driving cars different from every solution that you mention? They are an exact drop in replacement for existing cars and can work absolutely everywhere they do, including all edge cases.

Not with that attitude certainly not, no, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Stop talking to me, convince your local city council to build a raised intersection you will have done more for humanity.

Bruh, you can’t fucking read. I’ve already told you I’m not American.

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barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

I do, frequently, but we’re in a thread discussing the merits of autonomous vehicles vs normal car, not the merits of public transit.

And the merits are “people don’t like it”. As evidenced by the very title. You asked me why anyone would destroy an automated car, I gave you an answer, you didn’t accept it without providing an alternative. Maybe ponder about it a bit more.

Because that’s what this fucking thread is about.

No, this thread is not about how cool autonomous driving it, but about a crowd destroying an autonomous car. Why did they do that?

Overall, nice try at diversion, as if any discussion on the internet had ever been limited to the original topic, wait, let me prove it: Hitler! Godwin!. Really you should try to employ less rhetorical tricks. They may work on you, they rarely if ever work on me.

You clearly have not been to the US if you think the Mormons are the most stubborn and backwards part of it.

Point taken, but if the Mormons can do it, why can’t California? They at least were smart enough to abolish single family home zoning and didn’t blink when Musk tried to torpedo California HSR (which is what his hyperloop nonsense is about), but that was the state forcing the municipalities to enact a bare minimum of zoning sanity that they themselves were unwilling to do. I think Portland leads the pack in that regard, at least among the more prominent locations.

Maybe that’s exactly the issue: Things like streetcar suburb aren’t new. They are what existed until they got outlawed by a failed innovation. Mormons might be conservative enough to look back and say “yep that was better”, while California liberals are, just as you, saying “muuuuuuh but we need something shiny and new, old solutions can’t fix anything”.

They have the potential to be an exact drop in replacement for existing cars and can work absolutely everywhere they do, including all edge cases.

And I have the potential to be an exact drop in replacement for Jesus Christ. Why do you insist the fix to the issues be a drop-in replacement? Conservative, afraid of change, much?

I’ve already told you I’m not American and that I do that. esus fucking christ your brain is incapable of not just thinking “haha I’m arguing with generic tech bro dufus, let me clown on how tech bro dufus he is ha ha ha”

Apparently doesn’t stop you to be car-brained like an American. As to techbro: Don’t act and argue and talk like one and I’ll stop calling you that.

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- masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  And I have the potential to be an exact drop in replacement for Jesus Christ. Why do you insist the fix to the issues be a drop-in replacement? Conservative, afraid of change, much?
  
  Learn how to read.
  
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  - barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Lmfao, so your answer at the end of all this, is “automated cars won’t happen because people don’t like them”??
    
    No. My answer is “automated cars will continue to be opposed by the collective unconscious until urban planning things that are of importance to it are addressed (such as housing, equity, but also plain liability see asphalt deserts), and at that point autonomous cars will not be needed any more”. But that’s a mouthful, I thought you intelligent enough to understand it without being spoon-fed given that you claim to be such an advocate for public transit and modern urban planning, know all of its its advantages.
    
    Autonomous cars will not, just to open another can of worms, re-establish third places in the urban fabric. Do you know what third places are, their function, their importance, and how car-centric design destroyed them?
    
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    masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    My answer is “automated cars will continue to be opposed by the collective unconscious until urban planning related things that are of importance to it are addressed (such as housing, equity, but also plain liability see asphalt deserts), and at that point autonomous cars will not be needed any more”
    
    Lmfao, ok bud, please point me to the jurisdiction where drivers aren’t killing thousands of people a year.
    
    Yeah, shut up dumbass.
    
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