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Good job missing the point. Then I’ll fall off the ladder cleaning windows or showing winter clothes on the top shelf of the cabinet. Point is: Household accidents aren’t exactly rare: In 2022, 2.776 people died in Germany due to traffic accidents. Domestic accidents: 15.551.

300 people died falling from ladders in the US, 35000 died from traffic fatalities. So shut the fuck up with your cherry picked stats and shifting from a single problem (ladders) to all household accidents once you tried to look up stats and realized you were a fucking idiot.

…and you’re going to make people use them how? Put a police officer in every household to make sure people are sticking to occupational safety principles?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? You asked for a technology that helps prevent ladder falls, THATS WHAT A FALL ARREST HARNESS IS. YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

I very much doubt we have the same opinion on whether capital should be running basic infrastructure.

Yeah, because you’re an idiot who can’t fucking read and keeps slotting in a tech bro stereotype. You’re a judgemental dumbass.

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barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

So shut the fuck up with your cherry picked stats and shifting from a single problem (ladders) to all household accidents once you tried to look up stats and realized you were a fucking idiot.

You’re doing it again: I readily admit that I used the statistics loosely, I didn’t even look up numbers, I said “ladder” and meant with that “household accidents”, which I knew to be much higher than traffic deaths (at least over here, dunno about the US).

What did you do? Instead of correcting me on the fuzziness but acknowledging that household safety is a bigger issue than traffic safety, you go on “lol you dumb I don’t have to engage with your point because you made a spelling mistake”.

That’s not being smart, that’s being a smart-ass. It’s not engaging with the argument in honest discussion, but using cheap tricks to deflect. Ben Shapiro would be proud of you.

You asked for a technology that helps prevent ladder falls, THATS WHAT A FALL ARREST HARNESS IS.

A safety technology which doesn’t get used doesn’t increase safety. Or is the existence of autonomous cars making non-autonomous cars safer? Hmm? Basic logic? If you want a technology to solve something, part of the design requirements for that technology is its acceptance, its price, which will dictate how ubiquitous its use will be.

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- masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  You’re doing it again: I readily admit that I used the statistics loosely, I didn’t even look up numbers, I said “ladder” and meant with that “household accidents”, which I knew to be much higher than traffic deaths (at least over here, dunno about the US).
  
  Yeah, and you were fucking wrong about that too, and just focused on your own area and extrapolating what’s going on in your fucking village to the realities around the world. Like I said, arrogant.
  
  What did you do? Instead of correcting me on the fuzziness but acknowledging that household safety is a bigger issue than traffic safety, you go on “lol you dumb I don’t have to engage with your point because you made a spelling mistake”.
  
  It wasn’t a spelling mistake, you didn’t bother looking up stats and made an argument based on incorrect information. Even the stat you thought you had in your head was for your tiny region of the world only, not the world on global scale.
  
  A safety technology which doesn’t get used doesn’t increase safety. Or is the existence of autonomous cars making non-autonomous cars safer? Hmm? Basic logic? If you want a technology to solve something, part of the design requirements for that technology is its acceptance, its price, which will dictate how ubiquitous its use will be.
  
  Yes, and when we’re talking about a problem that causes 35,000 deaths a year on top of billions in damages and hundreds of thousands injured and maimed, then there are many avenues to have regulators encourage or enforce the use of that technology. It’s also not very expensive. First generation Waymo hardware costs ~$100k, that’s easily in the range for autonomous taxi services to pay back within a year of use, give it 10 years for the compute and sensors costs to come down and to get the benefits of manufacturing at scale and it will be easily affordable by average individuals. Another 10 years from then and it will have filtered down into the used and low end markets.
  
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  - barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Yeah, and you were fucking wrong about that too, and just focused on your own area and extrapolating what’s going on in your fucking village to the realities around the world. Like I said, arrogant.
    
    US, 2021: 128,200 household accident deaths, 42,939 traffic.
    
    Those numbers took like 30 seconds to find.
    
    It wasn’t a spelling mistake, you didn’t bother looking up stats
    
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4bIXVTsJck
    
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    masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    US, 2021: 128,200 household accident deaths, 42,939 traffic.
    
    You said ladder, now you’re saying “household accidents”, so how are you going to prevent people from falling down their stairs and poisoning themselves?
    
    Also, in your made up fantasy world, is “whataboutism” still a valid way to argue? In your society are they only allowed to solve one problem at a time? If we’re having hundreds of thousands of lives changed and ruined every year by something it’s totally not worth solving or addressing because more people are dying in Ukraine right? We need to solve all bigger problems first, and ONLY then can we work on solving traffic fatalities right?
    
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