Comment on Lakewood Church shooting suspect identified as transgender woman; 'Free Palestine' written on gun

• Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You know what? Fuck it.

  Crazy how you guys only care about gun violence when someone other than your own side does it. Especially given that most political violence is right wing violence.

  Saying “Gun violence” instead of “Violence” is dog whistling that you care more about disarming people than saving lives.

  That aside, yes, most political violence world wide is right wing violence. This is mainly due to Islamic terrorism, which is right wing. Note that is not American right wing.

  Most shooters are straight, cis, white males.

  Define shootings. Because with one definition, you can have 300+ shootings every year, but that counts gang violence, and suddenly white men aren’t the biggest contributors to the stat anymore. I’ll let you guess which demographic would, since you brought it up.

  Alternatively, excluding gang violence, you can have under a dozen every year, and white men are the biggest contributors. Not per capita, but still in absolute numbers.

  Yet you’ll never see fox news with a headline going “X shooting suspect identified as a straight, cis, white male with ‘kill all blacks’ written on gun”.

  Guess what? They have a right wing bias. They generally don’t report shootings because there’s no angle. Left wing sites do report on them because they want to push an anti-gun narrative, that and ratings.

  And here is an actually good source:

  Don’t think I didn’t notice just how light on details that AP is. They talk a bunch about the victims and Joel osteen, but they barely give you her name. They are pushing an angle by omission. Same as fox, same as cbs, same as every news site.

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  • PizzaMane@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Saying “Gun violence” instead of “Violence” is dog whistling that you care more about disarming people than saving lives.

    I’m saying gun violence because that’s the topic. Getting upset over this wording is like getting upset somebody calls a ride on a plane “air travel” instead of “travel”. That’s the category of the subject being discussed.

    That aside, yes, most political violence world wide is right wing violence. This is mainly due to Islamic terrorism, which is right wing. Note that is not American right wing.

    Even if you’re just limiting to domestic terrorism, right wing terrorism is the majority of said terrorism.

    Define shootings

    I thought it was pretty clear that I was talking about politically motivated attacks when I was talking about the straight white shooters thing. Gang violence isn’t really politically motivated.

    And your numbers are way off, even by the other definition:

    www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

    statista.com/…/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shoote…

    www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N363273/

    Guess what? They have a right wing bias. They generally don’t report shootings because there’s no angle. Left wing sites do report on them because they want to push an anti-gun narrative, that and ratings.

    So when left wing sources push an angle, it’s to reduce deaths. When right wing sources push an angle, it’s to demonize minorities who are already at risk for violence.

    And you think that makes you look good? That makes it far worse.

    Don’t think I didn’t notice just how light on details that AP is. They talk a bunch about the victims and Joel osteen, but they barely give you her name.

    Glorifying shooters only makes copy cats more likely. The AP is being responsible.

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    • jimbolauski@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Per the Reuters article from 2016 - 2020, trans people accounted for 2.3% of mass shootings but per 2020 census data only account for 0.6% of the population. They are 4x more likely to commit a mass shooting then the rest of the population.

      See I can cherry pick stats to make them say what I want to too.

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      • PizzaMane@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Wow you straight up admitted you were cherypicking. You have no argument so I’ll move on.

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    • Blamemeta@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m saying gun violence because that’s the topic. Getting upset over this wording is like getting upset somebody calls a ride on a plane “air travel” instead of “travel”. That’s the category of the subject being discussed.

      We’ve been over this so many times, it’s not worth typing it up anymore. But for our audience, gun violence is a propaganda term. It’s basically, take all violence, and throw out anything that doesn’t help with disarming the people. If pizza here actually cared about saving lives, he would actually look at violence itself. Remember, violence is a symptom. Disarming the people will not solve social-economic problems.

      So when left wing sources push an angle, it’s to reduce deaths. When right wing sources push an angle, it’s to demonize minorities who are already at risk for violence.

      You’re being intentionally obtuse. left wing sources want to disarm the people, not to save lives.

      Glorifying shooters only makes copy cats more likely. The AP is being responsible.

      We’re well past the point of worrying about copy cats.

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      • PizzaMane@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We’ve been over this so many times, it’s not worth typing it up anymore. But for our audience, gun violence is a propaganda term. It’s basically, take all violence, and throw out anything that doesn’t help with disarming the people.

        Just because you say something doesn’t mean it’s true. I’m telling you my intention is to reduce harm. You can make up whatever bullshit you want to convince yourself that my intentions are elsewhere. You can lie to yourself all you want.

        But I know my intentions, and they are just straight “hur dur take da gunz”.

        If pizza here actually cared about saving lives, he would actually look at violence itself.

        But that’s not the topic. This is a post about a shooting, a specific event, not violence as a whole.

        Remember, violence is a symptom.

        I am aware. That doesn’t change the fact that what I said is true.

        Disarming the people will not solve social-economic problems.

        I never said otherwise. You completely missed the point of what I am saying.

        You’re being intentionally obtuse. left wing sources want to disarm the people, not to save lives.

        Prove it. Prove that their intentions are this hidden mischievous conspiracy.

        We’re well past the point of worrying about copy cats.

        For those such as yourself that don’t care about people dying, sure. But for the rest of us it is still a concern.

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