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You mean why did homeless people trash an autonomous taxi?

Uh, you can watch the video, it wasn’t homeless people.

So if you work at a farm, but are not a farmer, you can’t live there? You are legally required to have a 20km commute based on a law to preserve the integrity of farm life or something? What kind of bullshit is that.

Lmfao, bruh, you’re a fucking idiot or you’re too tired or you’re a bad fucking bot, but either way you clearly can’t follow a conversation. We’re not talking about people who work on farms.

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barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Uh, you can watch the video, it wasn’t homeless people.

Elsewhere in the thread someone who knows the city well better than me (or probably you) said that it’s an area known for mobile home encampments. Yes, that’s homelessness, even if it’s upper class homeless.

Again we’re not talking about people who work on farms. We’re talking about people who work in farming communities in jobs that are necessary to support farmers. Most of them don’t even work on a single farm but service multiple farms.

So your electricians etc. which I already said have their commercial vehicles which don’t fall under individual transport. They’re also lugging means of production around.

I invite you again to imagine city roads without commuters. That single change, and nothing else. It’s like 98% of traffic in car-dependent cities.

Merging the threads because I’m getting tired of it:

So now every technology improvement needs to solve every single systemic problem or it’s not worth pursuing?

No. Use autonomous technology if you want. Just don’t hail it as the silver bullet it isn’t when there’s much more deep as well as tried and true solutions to the issues we have. You’re taking attention away from the actual solutions in favour of gadgetry unaffordable for most which need to drive in places like the US. Pedestrians won’t be safe no matter how good the tech becomes, as long your average burger flipper still needs a car to get to work and can’t afford that fancy stuff there’s going to be distracted commuters out there. You could get all of them off the street, pretty much instantly, by having proper public transit.

Oh wow, the literal millions of road deaths every year are now “nothing of relevance”.

Millions of road deaths which don’t need autonomous technology to severely curtail. Have a look at statistics US vs. Netherlands.

No they’re not. Not for the distances covered in many rural areas. Try and wrap your brain around the fact that not everywhere is Europe where there’s millions of people packed into a postage stamp.

Not many pedestrians out there getting run over either, though, are there? Yes of course if you live 100km away from the next power pole you’ll need some form of individual transportation, but you’re also statistically insignificant.

You literally quote the answer to that:

Again, you’d still have a delivery person for critical deliveries, they just wouldn’t be driving.

So how do you push a car out of the way with your fire truck if you aren’t driving?

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- masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Elsewhere in the thread someone who knows the city well better than me (or probably you) said that it’s an area known for mobile home encampments. Yes, that’s homelessness
  
  It was in Chinatown during a Chinese New Year’s celebration. I’m honestly done talking to you because you’re a moron.
  
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  - barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    LA urban area is a bit more dense (2888pop/km^2^) than Hamburg (2506) your objection is completely nonsensical: Having more space between cities doesn’t mean that your cities must suck. The difference is that one is a couple of high rises and then endless car-dependent single-home sprawl, while the other is almost entirely stuff that’s illegal to build in the US. Changing building codes to allow such uses wouldn’t just solve their housing crisis, it would also densen up suburbia to allow for rail-based public transport. Plop down stations, zone a radius around them as medium density, also make sure have a grocery store, doctor’s practice, daycare, cafe and restaurant there, crucially no car parking – but make space for cargo bikes so that suburbanites within the catchment area but outside of walking distance can use all that infrastructure. You won’t recognise the city in 10 years, it’d totally transform, very much for the better.
    
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    masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    You won’t recognise the city in 10 years, it’d totally transform, very much for the better.
    
    Bruh, it takes ~10 years to plan and build a single major infrastructure project in America. Again, the timelines you’re talking about are nonsensical. Yes, building out transit and reorienting communities like that is the ultimate solution, but the idea that that will happen so much and so extensively that we’ll have no need for autonomous cars in even 20 years is absolutely absurd and detached from reality.
    
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